Moving away from tradition.

The Omega Man

The Omega Man

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In recent years, the pace of change has affected football possibly more than any other sport.

The days of home knitted scarf's and rattles at 3 o'clock on a Saturday are long gone. All to often those times are remembered through rose tinted glasses. But....

Where do we go next? Will we end up with a sanitised, match day experience? In the future will we be sat in glazed stands, with instant access to player cams and online betting? Will vocal support be limited to orchestrated encouragement?

Wembley sort of set me thinking. I loved the day, but actually felt uncomfortable by the orchestrated show of support at the start. My fear is that the whole thing was sort of part of the ticket. I have harboured an idea that the Ultra movement may be a good thing, but I have doubts now. Should any organisation plan what my matchday experience is?

I am not sure if having a singing section is actually what I really want to see at the KC. I enjoy the way chants start and evolve. I don't go for the show, its the football first and then I enjoy the supporting part.
 
The Omega Man said:
In recent years, the pace of change has affected football possibly more than any other sport.

The days of home knitted scarf's and rattles at 3 o'clock on a Saturday are long gone. All to often those times are remembered through rose tinted glasses. But....

Where do we go next? Will we end up with a sanitised, match day experience? In the future will we be sat in glazed stands, with instant access to player cams and online betting? Will vocal support be limited to orchestrated encouragement?

Wembley sort of set me thinking. I loved the day, but actually felt uncomfortable by the orchestrated show of support at the start. My fear is that the whole thing was sort of part of the ticket. I have harboured an idea that the Ultra movement may be a good thing, but I have doubts now. Should any organisation plan what my matchday experience is?

I am not sure if having a singing section is actually what I really want to see at the KC. I enjoy the way chants start and evolve. I don't go for the show, its the football first and then I enjoy the supporting part.
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Will we end up with a sanitised matchday experience? There are operating theatres less sanitised than the KC matchday experience.
 
All the recent atmosphere chat on here has been about E1 to E3 moving to the N.

What about the rest of our crowd?

What will it take to get them behind the team?

Or do they see that as someone else's role?
 
It might be organised,but it's organised by the fans,so i doubt that should make any difference to your match day experience Mel.

A group of fans start songs going, be it the Ulltras or whoever, the Ulltras are city fans,so if they start songs,it's no different to any other city fans starting songs. They've just named themselves the Ulltras.

By the orchestrated start at Wembley, do you mean the "wise men say" thing played over the sound system ? I ****ing hate it when they do that. When we sing it,we sing it at a far quicker tempo,and i always liked it.

Singing along to the record is very gay.
 
Stuart Blampey said:
All the recent atmosphere chat on here has been about E1 to E3 moving to the N.

What about the rest of our crowd?
What will it take to get them behind the team?

Or do they see that as someone else's role?
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I think that is the danger. Will supporters sit back and let others sing on their behalf.
 
Kempton, its sort of that, but the giant flag in the crowd was more what I mean. I have nothing against the Ultras either.

Take for instance a Mexican wave. If the fans do it, fine, but if someone , anyone says, after 15 minutes lets all do a Mexican wave, I don't like it.

In fact the countdown to 19.04 is a better example. I dont mind the 19.04 chant, but I hate the fact that someone orchestrates it now.
 
The Omega Man said:
I think that is the danger. Will supporters sit back and let others sing on their behalf.
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Will?

They already do.

I think the current owner believes he he has some rowdies in E1 to E3 who he can isolate in the naughty corner, and the rest of the compliant docile passive crowd will continue to turn up and accept whatever comes their way.

I think he wants a squash type crowd.

He has no knowledge of football crowds, club traditions and history.

He also appears to be unable to countenance dissent or non compliance.

As long as we have compliant 'I'm here to watch top class football' element in our crowd, we will NEVER have a good atmosphere and will continue to have a sterile, soulless and fickle group of local football customers.
 
In the west lower it can be very restrained at times. Not sure what holds people back. I'm one of the more vocal ones around our section. Not sure how it can be changed really. If only the atmosphere could be as good as when we played Liverpool at the KC this year. Even the west stand played their part in that one. I hate the groaning when a player loses a ball or a tackle isn't made the most. That comes from every part of the ground. Is it a Hull thing maybe? Gets on my nerves it does.
 
SB, I don't stand up for the chant " stand up if you're Hull City" if I am stood and it stasrts I sit down. Why, because, a Im a miserable old git and b, I'll stand up when the play makes me not because of some chant.
 
Charlie1 said:
In the west lower it can be very restrained at times. Not sure what holds people back. I'm one of the more vocal ones around our section. Not sure how it can be changed really. If only the atmosphere could be as good as when we played Liverpool at the KC this year. Even the west stand played their part in that one. I hate the groaning when a player loses a ball or a tackle isn't made the most. That comes from every part of the ground. Is it a Hull thing maybe? Gets on my nerves it does.
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On MOTD in very game they show footage of the managers on the touchline and you can see the fans behind them.


Ours have to be the most laid back, undemonstrative, unsupportive, quiet and 'neutral' of the lot.

Odd really that our city should produce fans like that. BP was not much better in the Best Stand.

I really don't know why a lot of people in the W bother attending games- they don't seem to enjoy it or participate in the event,

Sad really.
 
I would love to see a bigger stadium ...with under 21s getting cheap tickets...a lot of those who make noise have been priced out , ie the younger generation.
 
TigerFILEY said:
Those complaining about lack of noise

Get in N1 N2 N3 N4
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The problem there is that it's all the eggs in one basket. In fact it's worse than that as you're mixing the different types of vocal support.

When the stadium first opened, Adam Pearson's plan was for the South Stand to be the noisy section, but the fans said they did not want to be behind the goal so we got east. It's taken time to settle down, but we reached a point where you could stand in an area, or go to a more passive part. We'll now get conflict as those that prefer a side view and standing are going to be slotted in to E4 and beyond, presumably along side those that choose not to be part of the 'singing stand'.

If the idea is to improve atmosphere, they need to look to ways of accommodating the more traditional noisy/standing support in the east stand.
 
I haven't ever heard the guy who sits next to me speak, let alone clap, shout or cheer. I find it odd but each to their own.
 
Stuart Blampey said:
On MOTD in very game they show footage of the managers on the touchline and you can see the fans behind them.


Ours have to be the most laid back, undemonstrative, unsupportive, quiet and 'neutral' of the lot.

Odd really that our city should produce fans like that. BP was not much better in the Best Stand.

I really don't know why a lot of people in the W bother attending games- they don't seem to enjoy it or participate in the event,

Sad really.
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It's easy to pick on the west stand for not singing but what about the rest of the ground? North, south and half of east?
 
Looking forward to being behind the goal in the North Stand .

Here's hoping everything works out just fine.

It will be like my first few seasons going on my own on bunkers at BP

Before that my dad took me in the west stand at BP

Think its just a case of not being able to please everyone what ever they do
 
I don't think there's any point whatsoever, in moaning about certain stands not joining in, it won't change anything,so just becomes moaning.

Almost all home grounds are the same, you rarely if ever hear from all four sides. I think the move to the north is a good idea,iv'e wanted it ever since the KC opened.
 
Hull city afc(Kempton):6547033 said:
I don't think there's any point whatsoever, in moaning about certain stands not joining in, it won't change anything,so just becomes moaning.

Almost all home grounds are the same, you rarely if ever hear from all four sides. I think the move to the north is a good idea,iv'e wanted it ever since the KC opened.
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Me also kempton .
 
Hull city afc(Kempton) said:
I don't think there's any point whatsoever, in moaning about certain stands not joining in, it won't change anything,so just becomes moaning.

Almost all home grounds are the same, you rarely if ever hear from all four sides. I think the move to the north is a good idea,iv'e wanted it ever since the KC opened.
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TigerFILEY said:
Me also kempton .
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I really ought to own up though. I sit in E9 with my dad, he's 81 now and there is no way he can stand for 90 mins. <laugh>
 
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