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I agree. Prevented by the French, prevented by the people smugglers, prevented by the adult victims. But not prevented by the UK, as we have no jurisdiction on the French beaches ?
This touches on a wider point about people taking responsibility for their own personal safety.
This seems to be sadly lacking these days.
People who willingly put themselves in harm's way when there are other, safer choices available, should not expect others to be morally bound to save their lives.
I detest the way the brave volunteers of the RNLI are lambasted in some quarters for rescuing people in illegal boats.
But those RNLI people should not feel that anyone they fail to save (people who are drowned) should be on their conscience.
Neither I think should any of us.
This seems to be sadly lacking these days.
People who willingly put themselves in harm's way when there are other, safer choices available, should not expect others to be morally bound to save their lives.
I detest the way the brave volunteers of the RNLI are lambasted in some quarters for rescuing people in illegal boats.
But those RNLI people should not feel that anyone they fail to save (people who are drowned) should be on their conscience.
Neither I think should any of us.
Bring back the stocks for 6 months and then four good strong horses to finish the job. This is what is coming across the channel in those small boats.
May, Johnson, Sunak, Starmer - this is on you. If you’d have done what you said you would do, this would not have happened to that 12 year old girl and her family. Hang your heads in shame and give us leaders who will do what’s needed.
www.bbc.co.uk
May, Johnson, Sunak, Starmer - this is on you. If you’d have done what you said you would do, this would not have happened to that 12 year old girl and her family. Hang your heads in shame and give us leaders who will do what’s needed.
Afghan asylum seeker guilty of raping girl, 12, in Nuneaton
The 12-year-old suffered "extremely horrific sexual offences" in the Nuneaton attack, police say.
www.bbc.co.uk
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23 year old Afghan asylum seeker found guilty of abducting and raping a 12 year old girl ffs - deport immediately!!
After destroying the life of a young English girl, he'd return a hero if he were sent back to his medieval grief-hole of a country.
The stabbing attack at Kingsbury School yesterday in which two young boys were seriously injured has disappeared from the BBC news feeds and the investigation is now being led by counter-terror Police with the suspect alleged to have shouted that well-known phrase while carrying out the attack.
I wonder why all that could be happening ?
Of course if this turns out to be the wrong thread for this post I’ll delete and/or move it to somewhere else.
But I’m not holding my breath.
I wonder why all that could be happening ?
Of course if this turns out to be the wrong thread for this post I’ll delete and/or move it to somewhere else.
But I’m not holding my breath.
Newton's third Law of motion.
Actions and reactions, going back far further than October 7th 2023. Way back to Biblical times.
Dreadful, but seemingly inescapable.
Jesus said if your enemy strikes your right cheek, offer to him the other one.
That is a very difficult path to tread. Even we who think of ourselves as his followers hardly ever heed those words.
Sadly, the age old Human behaviour later characterised by Newton's 3rd Law is likely (in my view) the reason JC said it.
2,000 years later we still have not learned how to do as he asked.
PS:
If this knife attack was carried out by a kid twisted by religious extremism, it is highly likely he was radicalised online.
More evidence in my opinion of the need to restrict a great deal of internet access to adults only.
I know adults can be radicalised too, but we cannot have children being poisioned by online hate sites.
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Unfortunately nowadays if you turn the other cheek it just gets stabbed as repeatedly as the first one and then you’re dead so…..
Indeed.
Not to get too hung up on the religious ins & outs, I don't think Christianity was supposed to be a 'Great' Religion of the World, in terms of Empires and Churches, wealth and power.
Jesus seemed to reject all of those trappings.
He did not teach his followers to go to War or Conquer in his name. He preached peace, forgiveness and love for those who hated him.
That path does not lead to greatness, wealth or power on Earth.
Christians, as I see it, were never supposed to be mighty, strong (in a military sense) or feared.
Hey ho.
I'm not religious myself. Am grateful to have been raised C of E, and been taught right from wrong, and to treat others as I would hope to be treated by them.
I'm glad too that I did not grow up absorbing poison from social media via my smart phone.
I pity today's kids. I really do.
A bit of a hoo-hah tonight (putting it mildly) about some comments by Sir Jim Ratcliffe
www.bbc.co.uk
In my view Ratcliffe has not said anything he needs to apologise for.
I certainly disagree with him, but all he has done is said something he clearly believes to be true.
That's how grown-ups behave in a free society.
It doesn't even really matter much if Ratcliffe has some of his facts & stats wrong.
Not many people put much store in numbers these days. People believe what they want to believe.
At the end of the day Ratcliffe is not a politician. He does not have the kind of responsibility to consider the consequences of his words that politicians and our political leaders have.
I'm only mentioning this now because I think the backlash will snowball out of all proportion.
In my view this is barely more than a non-story which will become a big storm in a rather small teacup.
Carry on managing Man Utd into the ground Jim
We can all love you for that.
PM asks Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'
Sir Keir Starmer says comments by the businessman and Manchester United co-owner are "offensive and wrong".
www.bbc.co.uk
In my view Ratcliffe has not said anything he needs to apologise for.
I certainly disagree with him, but all he has done is said something he clearly believes to be true.
That's how grown-ups behave in a free society.
It doesn't even really matter much if Ratcliffe has some of his facts & stats wrong.
Not many people put much store in numbers these days. People believe what they want to believe.
At the end of the day Ratcliffe is not a politician. He does not have the kind of responsibility to consider the consequences of his words that politicians and our political leaders have.
I'm only mentioning this now because I think the backlash will snowball out of all proportion.
In my view this is barely more than a non-story which will become a big storm in a rather small teacup.
Carry on managing Man Utd into the ground Jim
We can all love you for that.
Starmer telling anyone to apologise is frankly a sick joke. I was going to start listing the things Starmer should apologise for but I’ve only got 72% battery left on my iPad.
Demanding apologies does close down debate, and makes many reluctant to say anything.
Then feeling get bottled up, and come out in different ways sometimes.
In my view Ratcliffe has not said anything as divisive or offensive as (for example) that Reform UK woman said about too many non-white faces on television. As mentioned I think Ratcliffe is wrong, and it's a bit rich anyway coming from somebody who officially lives in Monaco.
But he should be entitled to say what he thinks and then be challenged on it by those who disagree, rather than being pressured to apologise - which is more or less the same as being made to retract what he said, thus cancelling debate on the issue.
Then feeling get bottled up, and come out in different ways sometimes.
In my view Ratcliffe has not said anything as divisive or offensive as (for example) that Reform UK woman said about too many non-white faces on television. As mentioned I think Ratcliffe is wrong, and it's a bit rich anyway coming from somebody who officially lives in Monaco.
But he should be entitled to say what he thinks and then be challenged on it by those who disagree, rather than being pressured to apologise - which is more or less the same as being made to retract what he said, thus cancelling debate on the issue.
Pep Guardiola reckons we should embrace other cultures. Flowery language indeed.
Truth is, there are wonderful cultures worth embracing, then there are certain cultures that can never be embraced. Why we put up with these certain cultures, I'll never understand. Maybe I'll write to Pep and ask him... After all, he is a sage for our times.
Truth is, there are wonderful cultures worth embracing, then there are certain cultures that can never be embraced. Why we put up with these certain cultures, I'll never understand. Maybe I'll write to Pep and ask him... After all, he is a sage for our times.
I thought Pep is a supporter of Basque Independence.
Not saying that cause is right or wrong. But I wouldn't call it a good example of tolerance of other cultures.
Britain, like most of Christendom, will likely never accept Islamic Culture.
Islamophobia has been in our DNA since the time of the Crusades, Nigh on 1,000 years.
Anti-Semitism was once endemic in the UK as well.
Jewish people fleeing pogroms in Europe during the 19th Century were safer here, but their culture was not embraced.
It took the Holocaust to soften our hearts.
Massacres of Jews in England are a part of our Medieval history not much spoken of anymore.
Our current British values of equality and respect for women are a very recent emergence.
Women had no vote only 100 years ago. They were banned from playing football until the 1970's.
Women who had children out of wedlock were sent to mental asylums for life, as recently as our Grandparents' time.
Unmarried mothers had their babies forcibly taken away from them, well within living memory.
Misogyny is still rife here.
Muslims are good enough for Jim Ratcliffe if they can kick a football.
And millions of them are good enough to do the care working jobs that English people don't want to dirty our hands with.
But let's not make the mistake of granting them any respect.
Not saying that cause is right or wrong. But I wouldn't call it a good example of tolerance of other cultures.
Britain, like most of Christendom, will likely never accept Islamic Culture.
Islamophobia has been in our DNA since the time of the Crusades, Nigh on 1,000 years.
Anti-Semitism was once endemic in the UK as well.
Jewish people fleeing pogroms in Europe during the 19th Century were safer here, but their culture was not embraced.
It took the Holocaust to soften our hearts.
Massacres of Jews in England are a part of our Medieval history not much spoken of anymore.
Our current British values of equality and respect for women are a very recent emergence.
Women had no vote only 100 years ago. They were banned from playing football until the 1970's.
Women who had children out of wedlock were sent to mental asylums for life, as recently as our Grandparents' time.
Unmarried mothers had their babies forcibly taken away from them, well within living memory.
Misogyny is still rife here.
Muslims are good enough for Jim Ratcliffe if they can kick a football.
And millions of them are good enough to do the care working jobs that English people don't want to dirty our hands with.
But let's not make the mistake of granting them any respect.
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My son is a carer. My wife is a carer. My dad was a carer after he left the brigade. My mum was a carer for over forty years. My brother was a carer for nigh on twenty years. My sister-in-law is a carer.
I could carry on.
Again, goodness, where to start ?
Anything to do with Pep - irrelevant. He doesn’t live in our sphere so isn’t affected by the issues.
Britain will never accept Islamic Culture - And ? Thank f*ck for that. Do you understand what it’s like, for all sections of society, living under modern Islamic Culture ?
History - is history. Yes there were many wrongs in the past but we can’t change them now and none of us alive today are responsible for them. We need to sort out today’s problems because we can influence the future.
I’m sure that all of us on here understand the complete and utter difference between Muslims who are highly skilled sportsmen and women, Muslims who work tirelessly for little pay in our health system and care sectors paying taxes and doing the jobs that some “English” people won’t do and the scum that are here to scrounge, defraud and ponce off the benefits system, while plotting to murder, rape and carry out savage atrocities on those who have provided the funds for that benefits systems by working and paying our taxes for decades, like I, everyone else on here and no doubt you have done. The former do get our respect, the latter quite rightly don’t and shouldn’t be here.
I could carry on.
But instead I’ll just offer this as some light reading and reflection for anyone who feels that all Muslims are lovely caring people who embrace other cultures with tolerance and love……
Two jailed over plot to attack Jewish community in Manchester
Walid Saadaoui and Amar Hussein planned to carry out an "Isis-inspired plot", a court hears.
www.bbc.co.uk
Again I could carry on.
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