Off Topic Migrant crisis

[Ubedizzy2]

I think the religious person who wrote the letter saying that the suspect was a Christian has a few questions to answer. Perhaps they should be encouraged to meet the woman and children injured in this attack. Stupid, naive, bleeding heart, who won’t have to suffer the consequences of their actions. Probably the type that appears on the BBC slagging off any attempt to deal with illegal immigration by saying that we have a duty to offer these poor people a safe home. F*ck off you stupid w*nker.

 

[The Penguin]

Converting to Christianity seems to be used quite a lot. The pretext is that it could mean that they get executed by the Taliban back home. All they have to do in that case is convert back to Islam.

 

[lardiman]

The only crumb of consolation at the moment is that the scumbag managed to strip half his own face off.
I hope it really hurts - which it will unless he's out of his brain on drugs of some kind.

Presumably it has occurred to the rozzers to check pharmacies and other places he might steal medication from.
When he's cornered they should put him down like a rabid dog. Save us all a lot of money and time.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

Hopefully he’ll top himself. But that won’t help the victims, although nothing will now. Apart from being able to torture the c*nt that affirmed he was a Christian.

 

[lardiman]

We need a campaign now to unravel the stupid Asylum laws and close all the loopholes.
None of this "minimum one year sentence" rubbish.
If you are convicted of any violent or sex crime you're out.

We welcome innocent good people fleeing tyranny and persecution.
We don't want criminals and scum. I'd chip in to see this one flown back and handed over to the Taliban.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

After 14 years of Conservative rule Michael Gove has suddenly solved the housing crisis

People can live in empty shops

And as for a new law to abolish no-fault evictions, as promised in the 2019 manifesto?
Sorry, no.
It seems too many Tory back benchers are also private landlords.
So any bill would be prevented from passing.
Well there's a shocker.

THERE IS NO HOUSING CRISIS !!! THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE.

 

[lardiman]

No need to shout.
And I fail to see any use in re-defining the problem in terms that has no solution that any civilised society would employ.
We cannot just disappear 10 million people.

This Country needs new homes. New towns and new suburbs. New infrastructure and new transport links.
A Labour Government began this after WW2 when the UK was on its knees.
Now three generations later our ageing population needs care. If our own young people won't do it, then we must find others who are willing.

Gove (who doubtless owns at least three homes) cannot come up with anything better than putting people up in empty shops and office blocks.
This is an utterly pathetic so-called solution.
Commercial buildings were never meant for people to live in. All we will do is create a new generation of slums.

The future Labour Government needs to get a grip on this massive problem.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

THERE IS NO HOUSING CRISIS !!! THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE.

Too right.

Not all migrants are coming to work in the care sector. Huge swathes find work within the black economy or join criminal gangs. Many will claim benefits whilst putting nothing back in the pot. Too much useless, pointless immigration. This country is simply not geared up for such a frightening influx. Hats off to the migrants who do come to look after our sick and elderly, but let's not pretend they are all saintly.

 

[lardiman]

There is a dedicated thread for this subject - unless members would prefer that we discuss it here, in which case I can merge the threads.

I'm afraid I do not agree that immigration is the source of all this Country's woes as it seems often to be painted.
Yes, there are serious issues to address there.
But in my view millions of people struggling to afford a roof over their heads (mortgaged or rented) is a bigger problem for our society than roughly 50,000 illegal migrants who make it here each year.

Both problems need to be solved.
The latter one could do without some of the inflammatory language used by right wing politicians, who seek to hijack it for their own gain.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

There is a dedicated thread for this subject - unless members would prefer that we discuss it here, in which case I can merge the threads.

I'm afraid I do not agree that immigration is the source of all this Country's woes as it seems often to be painted.
Yes, there are serious issues to address there.
But in my view millions of people struggling to afford a roof over their heads (mortgaged or rented) is a bigger problem for our society than roughly 50,000 illegal migrants who make it here each year.

Both problems need to be solved.
The latter one could do without some of the inflammatory language used by right wing politicians, who seek to hijack it for their own gain.

I think this is a very different topic to the main Migrant Crisis thread as it relates specifically to housing and my comment about too many people didn’t refer to migrants, either legal or otherwise.

My point is this - the housing shortage is not a real housing shortage. We had enough houses. It’s just that we can’t build them quickly enough (nor should we even be trying, for all sorts of reason) to keep up with the growing population, which is out of control.

Since the Tories came to power a mere 14 years ago, there are roughly 4 million extra people living in England and Wales. That is unsustainable. If those 4 million extra people didn’t live here then there wouldn’t be a housing shortage. Therefore house prices would fall and the people who did live here wouldn’t have to mortgage themselves to the hilt to buy a house.

Our roads, hospitals, schools, dentists, social services, mental health services, Police, etc etc etc wouldn’t be overrun and at crisis point.

Anyone who thinks that population growth would be slower or non-existent under a Labour government is in my opinion deluded. Although to be fair I don’t think many people do believe that would be the case.

This country is far too densely populated and there are very, very few advantages to that situation.

Unless of course you are a rich banker, lender, house bulilder, or politician.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

The 50k coming over on small boats is the tip of the iceberg. It's the 750k net that is the main issue. It is unsustainable. It is pure madness. This tiny country cannot cope with such an influx, and nor should it have to.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

The 50k coming over on small boats is the tip of the iceberg. It's the 750k net that is the main issue. It is unsustainable. It is pure madness. This tiny country cannot cope with such an influx, and nor should it have to.

Over population is the biggest threat to the planet. Far bigger than anything else as it exacerbates everything else.

But as others have said, it seems to be a taboo subject among the worlds leaders and elite.

Probably because for them overpopulation just brings more profit, until the system breaks down and we revert to anarchy. But by then they’ll all be dead so they don’t really care.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

16,000 homes for migrants.

Utter madness.

 

[Smudger603]

16,000 homes for migrants.

Utter madness.

Look after your own first ffs - madness we look after these unchecked criminals first !

 

[lardiman]

I could not find any reference to this story until I goggled it.
It comes from the Daily Telegraph;

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Along with a heart-warming picture of a Police officer and some "unchecked criminals".

To put this story into some context;
The Government in its utter madness is saving money by offering private Landlords 5 year paid up rental contracts to house the asylum seekers.
As housing them in rented accommodation is still a lot less expensive than even cheap hotel rates.
The Government is not spending new money or creating/building homes specifically for migrants, as might be inferred from the original post.

And linking this story to the UK's chronic housing shortage is, in my opinion, a laughable unintended irony from this staunch Tory supporting paper.
Whose fault is it that there are not enough affordable homes for people to live in?
It wouldn't be 14 years of Conservative Government, would it?
14 years of failure to build affordable social housing, while allowing private Landlords (including a considerable number of Conservative back benchers) to charge whatever they like for their rented homes.
I wonder whether any of the private landlords who accept these fully paid five year rental deals will be Tory back benchers, or wealthy chums of theirs.

I'm merging this thread with the 'migrant crisis' one.
No previous posts will be lost, they will simply appear in date order (when they were originally posted) in the merged thread.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

I could not find any reference to this story until I goggled it.
It comes from the Daily Telegraph;

You must log in or register to see images

Along with a heart-warming picture of a Police officer and some "unchecked criminals".

To put this story into some context;
The Government in its utter madness is saving money by offering private Landlords 5 year paid up rental contracts to house the asylum seekers.
As housing them in rented accommodation is still a lot less expensive than even cheap hotel rates.
The Government is not spending new money or building homes specifically for migrants, as might be inferred from the original post.

And linking this story to the UK's chronic housing shortage is, in my opinion, a laughable unintended irony from this staunch Tory supporting paper.
Whose fault is it that there are not enough affordable homes for people to live in?
It wouldn't be 14 years of Conservative Government, would it?
14 years of failure to build affordable social housing, while allowing private Landlords (including a considerable number of Conservative back benchers) to charge whatever they like for their rented homes.
I wonder whether any of the private landlords who accept these fully paid five year rental deals will be Tory back benchers, or wealthy chums of theirs.

I'm merging this thread with the 'migrant crisis' one.
No previous posts will be lost, they will simply appear in date order (when they were originally posted) in the merged thread.

Yes, good idea. We mustn’t have a separate thread about these poor people, fleeing for their lives, to the first safe country they could find in the whole world.

Best to just pretend that there isn’t a Migrant Crisis and that all the country’s problems are down to rich Tories and their chums.

Anyway, everything will be OK soon when Labour get in. No more problems.

 

[lardiman]

The migrant crisis (like all the other current crises in the UK) is down to the Tories.
Who's been running the Country for the last 14 years?
And we've even been free of the EU for almost all of this latest Parliament. Free to make our own laws - or so they told us.
Yet Rishi Sunak, our third PM in less than two years, and with a majority of 60+, can't even draft a coherent bill that doesn't break International Law and contravene Human rights conventions - never mind get it onto the statute books.

The virtual collapse of the asylum processing system happened on their watch.
The Conservatives cannot pretend the serious troubles this Country faces are simply not their fault.
They should take responsibility.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

The migrant crisis (like all the other current crises in the UK) is down to the Tories.
Who's been running the Country for the last 14 years?
And we've even been free of the EU for almost all of this latest Parliament. Free to make our own laws - or so they told us.
Yet Rishi Sunak, our third PM in less than two years, and with a majority of 60+, can't even draft a coherent bill that doesn't break International Law and contravene Human rights conventions - never mind get it onto the statute books.

The virtual collapse of the asylum processing system happened on their watch.
The Conservatives cannot pretend the serious troubles this Country faces are simply not their fault.
They should take responsibility.

Absolutely right. Which is why it’s so good that Labour will be in soon and that they will immediately deal with all the country’s problems. No more getting involved in wars and bombing in far flung places which have nothing to do with us and creating waves of displaced people. It’ll all be paradise under Labour.

 

[The Penguin]

Absolutely right. Which is why it’s so good that Labour will be in soon and that they will immediately deal with all the country’s problems. No more getting involved in wars and bombing in far flung places which have nothing to do with us and creating waves of displaced people. It’ll all be paradise under Labour.

I'm not aware of Labour making any such promises, quite the reverse.

 

[Ubedizzy2]

I would have put this in the Migrant Crisis thread, but as we haven’t got one anymore it’ll have to go here……

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68238460