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Again with this whole poppy debate <doh>

I find it sweetly ironic that people can be so militant about non conformance with the poppy that they will aggressively taunt and villified people, for believing something different, and then those same morons go on about respecting people who fought against those who aggressively taunted and villified people who believed something different...

I am not a fan of McClean, and I don't think Matic is a world beater, but I will stand up for their right to believe what they want about a ****ing symbol. It's for nobody to decide what a symbol means to everybody, that's how bloody religious wars start and it's nonsense. Just have a bit of ****ing respect.

My Grandfather fought in the war, and he collected for the poppy appeal shortly after... And at the end of the day the chap in charge reached his hand in the bucket, took a load of change, and said "the rest is yours" to Grandad, who was incensed and never collected again. For that reason I'm a bit suspicious and careful when I give to charity myself, and choose my channels for donating wisely... **** anybody who has a problem with that, it's a personal experience and none of your ****ing business. Same for McClean and Matic. It's their opinion, and you can go **** yourself if you think your opinion matters more than theirs.

Proudly wear a poppy, shove one up your arse, don't buy one, tattoo one on your face, try and make drugs out of it... Whatever... You do you, you respect the dead the way you want to, and hell to the arbiters of ****ing commemoration that seem to have permeated Social Media. Their ancestors are probably ****ing ashamed of them #donotjointheplebs
 
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TheJudeanPeoplesFront said:
Again with this whole poppy debate <doh>

I find it sweetly ironic that people can be so militant about non conformance with the poppy that they will aggressively taunt and villified people, for believing something different, and then those same morons go on about respecting people who fought against those who aggressively taunted and villified people who believed something different...

I am not a fan of McClean, and I don't think Matic is a world beater, but I will stand up for their right to believe what they want about a ****ing symbol. It's for nobody to decide what a symbol means to everybody, that's how bloody religious wars start and it's nonsense. Just have a bit of ****ing respect.

My Grandfather fought in the war, and he collected for the poppy appeal shortly after... And at the end of the day the chap in charge reached his hand in the bucket, took a load of change, and said "the rest is yours" to Grandad, who was incensed and never collected again. For that reason I'm a bit suspicious and careful when I give to charity myself, and choose my channels for donating wisely... **** anybody who has a problem with that, it's a personal experience and none of your ****ing business. Same for McClean and Matic. It's their opinion, and you can go **** yourself if you think your opinion matters more than theirs.

Proudly wear a poppy, shove one up your arse, don't buy one, tattoo one on your face, try and make drugs out of it... Whatever... You do you, you respect the dead the way you want to, and hell to the arbiters of ****ing commemoration that seem to have permeated Social Media. Their ancestors are probably ****ing ashamed of them [HASHTAG]#donotjointheplebs[/HASHTAG]
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Agreed . It never used to be a big deal - you bought one or you didn’t. Nobody tried to shame you into wearing one.
What next - its compulsory that we greet all soldiers with “Thank you for your service” or we get arrested.
I respect all those who serve and I appreciate the sacrifice of those who have died so Ican live the way I do but I just dont feel the need to make a song and dance about it.
 
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Agree with JPF. Servicemen and Servicewomen fought wars to defend others freedoms and you then get numpties haranguing others for simply exercising one of the freedoms that those Servicemen and Servicewomen fought for in the first place. Ironic is not the word.
 
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JakartaToon said:
Agreed . It never used to be a big deal - you bought one or you didn’t. Nobody tried to shame you into wearing one.
What next - its compulsory that we greet all soldiers with “Thank you for your service” or we get arrested.
I respect all those who serve and I appreciate the sacrifice of those who have died so Ican live the way I do but I just dont feel the need to make a song and dance about it.
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Even your servants?
 
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Personally I think everyone who are British should be wearing one - if you do not want to support the Royal Legion at the same time can make a poppy.

What I don't understand is the need for all the different coloured poppies - when I wear a poppy I am not thinking to myself "sod all the minorities, animals etc who fought in the war" I am thinking "thank you to every single being involved in defending this country, Europe and the world"

At the same time every one has the right to make their own decisions - does it bother me if someone I have never met/spoken to isn't wearing one? Does it ****. In fact even if my own brother didn't wear one I wouldn't batter an eyelid.

The terminology "snowflakes" shouldn't be applied to the current generation but instead be given to anyone of any age, creed, colour, gender, sexualtiy (I'm sure I will offend someone by missing out their minority grouping but **** it) that bloomin' well deserve it.Oh no someone is not doing what I say or what I think! Panic! The ****ers!
 
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Darren Peacocks Ponytail said:
Personally I think everyone who are British should be wearing one - if you do not want to support the Royal Legion at the same time can make a poppy.

What I don't understand is the need for all the different coloured poppies - when I wear a poppy I am not thinking to myself "sod all the minorities, animals etc who fought in the war" I am thinking "thank you to every single being involved in defending this country, Europe and the world"

At the same time every one has the right to make their own decisions - does it bother me if someone I have never met/spoken to isn't wearing one? Does it ****. In fact even if my own brother didn't wear one I wouldn't batter an eyelid.

The terminology "snowflakes" shouldn't be applied to the current generation but instead be given to anyone of any age, creed, colour, gender, sexualtiy (I'm sure I will offend someone by missing out their minority grouping but **** it) that bloomin' well deserve it.Oh no someone is not doing what I say or what I think! Panic! The ****ers!
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I do mostly agree with what you say.

But in some respects being British does not mean you should be wearing one. I still think it should be a choice thing. That was the WHOLE reason for the war in the first place... so people had a choice.

For the record I choose to wear a poppy to respect those who fought and also for the people who lost loved ones as well because it indirectly affects me on a personal level, in a positive manner. If it had affected me in a negative manner than things would be different.

Everyone should respect what peoples decisions are on these things and no one should be alienated/victimised or otherwise if they chose differently to others.

GG
 
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I'd find it hard to stand up for McClean's rights as I doubt he'd be too sensitive towards uneducated cavemen's rights.

He (or anyone else) can't be forced to wear a poppy. He's not British anyhow.
 
Geordieginola said:
I do mostly agree with what you say.

But in some respects being British does not mean you should be wearing one. I still think it should be a choice thing. That was the WHOLE reason for the war in the first place... so people had a choice.

For the record I choose to wear a poppy to respect those who fought and also for the people who lost loved ones as well because it indirectly affects me on a personal level, in a positive manner. If it had affected me in a negative manner than things would be different.

Everyone should respect what peoples decisions are on these things and no one should be alienated/victimised or otherwise if they chose differently to others.

GG
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Actually, the First World War, which gave rise to the poppy symbol, had virtually nothing to do with people's right to choose.

[the last two posts are in no way anti-poppy by the way. I am wearing one as I type this]
 
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TheJudeanPeoplesFront said:
Again with this whole poppy debate <doh>

I find it sweetly ironic that people can be so militant about non conformance with the poppy that they will aggressively taunt and villified people, for believing something different, and then those same morons go on about respecting people who fought against those who aggressively taunted and villified people who believed something different...

I am not a fan of McClean, and I don't think Matic is a world beater, but I will stand up for their right to believe what they want about a ****ing symbol. It's for nobody to decide what a symbol means to everybody, that's how bloody religious wars start and it's nonsense. Just have a bit of ****ing respect.

My Grandfather fought in the war, and he collected for the poppy appeal shortly after... And at the end of the day the chap in charge reached his hand in the bucket, took a load of change, and said "the rest is yours" to Grandad, who was incensed and never collected again. For that reason I'm a bit suspicious and careful when I give to charity myself, and choose my channels for donating wisely... **** anybody who has a problem with that, it's a personal experience and none of your ****ing business. Same for McClean and Matic. It's their opinion, and you can go **** yourself if you think your opinion matters more than theirs.

Proudly wear a poppy, shove one up your arse, don't buy one, tattoo one on your face, try and make drugs out of it... Whatever... You do you, you respect the dead the way you want to, and hell to the arbiters of ****ing commemoration that seem to have permeated Social Media. Their ancestors are probably ****ing ashamed of them [HASHTAG]#donotjointheplebs[/HASHTAG]
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Wow!

Like it.
 
I don't get how anyone really expects McLean or Matic just to abandon their own principles which are rooted in a very violent experience of wars - which affected people they knew or family members. They have both stated they respect peoples right to wear a poppy, so I'm not sure why people can't return that respect in terms of their view on why they don't want to wear one.
 
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