Luis Suarez
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The Suarez statement is disappointing, but in light of an eight match ban it's hardly surprising. The Liverpool one is pretty robust though.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/statement-from-liverpool-fc
They've effectively said Evra is a ****ing liar, Manchester United are ****ing cheats, and the FA report is a ****ing whitewash. While I agree with the majority of those statements, under any other circumstances they could expect severe punishment for that.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/statement-from-liverpool-fc
They've effectively said Evra is a ****ing liar, Manchester United are ****ing cheats, and the FA report is a ****ing whitewash. While I agree with the majority of those statements, under any other circumstances they could expect severe punishment for that.
And, somewhat worryingly, with these words "This case has also provided a template in which a club's rival can bring about a significant ban for a top player without anything beyond an accusation." they point out how foolish the twats at the top of the FA actually are.
Why when its correct? they could go the legal route if they had the balls and challenge the FA , now that would be entertaining!!
I'd be stunned if they took the legal route, having declined the chance to appeal.
So according to Liverpool it's all a conspiracy between Evra, Man U and an independent commission that found Suraz guilty of saying...
- Suarez told Evra that he kicked him "because he was black"
- When challenged he said "I don't speak to blacks"
- and when Evra threatened to do something about it he said "Okay, blackie blackie blackie".
I hope Liverpool get charged further...
- Suarez told Evra that he kicked him "because he was black"
- When challenged he said "I don't speak to blacks"
- and when Evra threatened to do something about it he said "Okay, blackie blackie blackie".
I hope Liverpool get charged further...
Wear yellow that conversation cannot be proven, it is Evra's word against Suarez's.
I think Liverpool are within their right to say what they said in their statement.....but at the same time an attempt to appeal would not have worked, and the decision couldn't legally be challenged in any other sort of way I believe....? Maybe for fraud but I wouldn't say that that's true on any account, and it couldn't be proven either. The appeal wouldn't work because there's no new evidence.......even if there was another Independent Commission....they have no reason to change the verdict. I don't agree with the methods by which the original Commission came to their verdict...as I don't think there's enough proof...it's based on "probability" and "believability"...things which can quite easily be influenced by Evra being black (so automatically there is a social assumption that he is more likely to be a victim), the reputation Suarez has gained in previous events and in the media from this case....and because both parties have legal aid....and help with their statements so it's more likely to be calculated and further from the truth.
However.....the Commission could not really rule the other way, due to the way in which the FA's rules are worded.....and perhaps because of the way in which Civil rulings work. For me....the FA's rules have been highlighted as unjust, totally wrong, and as Liverpool said......make it plausible for this to happen on a regular basis, regardless of whether the person is guilty or not (which..despite the ruling.....Suarez has not been proven of either)
I think Liverpool are within their right to say what they said in their statement.....but at the same time an attempt to appeal would not have worked, and the decision couldn't legally be challenged in any other sort of way I believe....? Maybe for fraud but I wouldn't say that that's true on any account, and it couldn't be proven either. The appeal wouldn't work because there's no new evidence.......even if there was another Independent Commission....they have no reason to change the verdict. I don't agree with the methods by which the original Commission came to their verdict...as I don't think there's enough proof...it's based on "probability" and "believability"...things which can quite easily be influenced by Evra being black (so automatically there is a social assumption that he is more likely to be a victim), the reputation Suarez has gained in previous events and in the media from this case....and because both parties have legal aid....and help with their statements so it's more likely to be calculated and further from the truth.
However.....the Commission could not really rule the other way, due to the way in which the FA's rules are worded.....and perhaps because of the way in which Civil rulings work. For me....the FA's rules have been highlighted as unjust, totally wrong, and as Liverpool said......make it plausible for this to happen on a regular basis, regardless of whether the person is guilty or not (which..despite the ruling.....Suarez has not been proven of either)
The Commission considered that the breach of the FA rules was objective and could have ruled that Suarez's words or behaviour were not abusive or insulting - however after extensively reviewing all of the evidence which included witness statements and video evidence, the commision found that Suarez was guilty under the FA regulations and within the standards for civil law in England. These standards apply to all.
Dont thing FA regs would stand up in court 
The whole episode has been dealt with very badly from start to finish ! Even your FA commision have prob ballsed it up somewhere, so any half decent lawyer would get Suaerez off on a technicality!
Suarez was a numpty , Evra was and always will be a bigger numpty ! The match Officials were wrong Coz if guilty he should have been sent off! The fact he wasnt undermines the whole case!
The way the Media have hyped it up has done more damage to the game than a little!
at the end of the day no injury was sustained , just two bloody idiots getting upset with each other!
Worse still this farce has set a dangerous precedent, for any player to try and get another player sent off , banned etc!
The whole episode has been dealt with very badly from start to finish ! Even your FA commision have prob ballsed it up somewhere, so any half decent lawyer would get Suaerez off on a technicality!Suarez was a numpty , Evra was and always will be a bigger numpty ! The match Officials were wrong Coz if guilty he should have been sent off! The fact he wasnt undermines the whole case!
The way the Media have hyped it up has done more damage to the game than a little!
at the end of the day no injury was sustained , just two bloody idiots getting upset with each other!Worse still this farce has set a dangerous precedent, for any player to try and get another player sent off , banned etc!
Suarez's problem was admitting using the word 'negro'. He says that in his own country, it is a term for endearment (or not racist, anyway), but he is not in his country and has been in Europe for a good 5 years now so should know it can be taken as an insult in other cultures. In law, there is a saying 'ignorance is no defence'. Whilst the FA isn't exactly the Law, I'd guess they would also consider such terminology
If Suarez hadn't have admitted he used this word, then it would have been one word against another's and I believe no charges would have been brought!
If Suarez hadn't have admitted he used this word, then it would have been one word against another's and I believe no charges would have been brought!
what i dont understand is how liverpool can wear the suarez shirts and then not appeal, does make it look like they are glorifying racism
they looked like that the minute they put those shirts on. Big mistake by Liverpool imho and the fact that they have seemingly made light of the racism issue, regardless of their player's intent, makes them look even worse. They haven't covered themselves in glory over this.
What????
Are you sure? I had to drop a case a while back because I couldn't get legal aid - thanks to my 'massive' teacher's salary - and couldn't afford to proceed.
How on earth can it be justified that they receive it?
I would recommend that people read the Commissions report before they make some of their comments. It is a very detailed document that describes both the processes used by the commission and their findings through the the various stages of their investigation. It also details the facts of the events as described by the various witnesses called by both parties and through the TV evidence which includes footage not broadcast and Evra's interview with Canal+.
BB - According to paragraph 451 of the report, costs of the case were awarded against Suarez.
BB - According to paragraph 451 of the report, costs of the case were awarded against Suarez.
What????
I had to drop a case a while back because I couldn't get legal aid - thanks to my 'massive' teacher's salary - and couldn't afford to proceed.
How on earth can it be justified that they receive it?
Because the loser of the case foots the bill at the end i.e. Suarez or Liverpool
But what I actually meant is that they were most likely coached....and their statements would have been drafted.
Bit of a generic answer there. I know that this is what they have said, but it's meaningless. The witness statements were pointless.....there were NO witnesses...no one else heard what was said. There was no proof with any video evidence of Suarez saying those words either.
Think the stuff the Barnsley fans were singing against Billy Sharp is a hundred times worse than this pathetic little case where no one died or got injured ! Billy lost a son (something I can sympathise with? If Suarez gets an 8 game ban then barnsleys fans should be barred for the rest of the season! If of course this is proved to be true! Oh hang on we have the suarez precedent<kinjoke>
you can't make light of racism, and you can't compare the Suarez case to Billy Sharp...just sayin'
The Barnsley chant was cruel, obnoxious and ought to have no place anywhere, never mind a football ground. However, that wrong doesn't have the power to make Suarez's offence insignificant. Racism should have no place in sport or anywhere else and treating it as a minor misunderstanding simply allows people to think it doesn't matter. Just because it's Evra...French, Man U and not a likeable character...it doesn't mean the offence should be treated lightly.
Sorry guys I will always say the worst crime is the one suffered by Billy , and the loss of a child , I do beg to differ is far more of a shame than a little bit of name calling!
Which is all it is , cheating trying to inflame an opponent which is done all the time! we will have players soon with the their tongues cut out???!!!
The noggys cant understand what were bleating about in the suarez case! people need to stop being so thin skinned ,sensitive etc!
Which is all it is , cheating trying to inflame an opponent which is done all the time! we will have players soon with the their tongues cut out???!!!
The noggys cant understand what were bleating about in the suarez case! people need to stop being so thin skinned ,sensitive etc!