Luis Suarez

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This debate is certainly interesting. Certainly in Brasil expressions such as neginho/neginha are used in both an affectionate or racist manner, it is the tone of voice and circumstance that dictate.

I was talking to a colleague, who just happens to be Nigerian, and he got most upset when I used the term "negro", so I asked what he would prefer - the answer was "black".

What really gets me upset is the local "Christmas" lights have a dirty great "Happy Diwali" message right outside the town hall, the Christian bit is as far away as is possible to go. I do not profess Christian beliefs but this is a Christian country. I thought multiculturalism was a celebration of ALL cultures and not just everyone else'd bar the indigenous people's.
 
aberdeenhornet said:
look at the evidence:-
was he sent off? If the ref had heard racist agravation he was obliged to send him off.
Man u players told evra to wise up, did they feel racist remarks were goin on? Was there a flare up between the teams as you'd expect in a charged affair (united vs liverpool) if there was a just cause such as racism/
does evra have a track record of making accusations about racism?
Knowledge of the south american culture is racism likely?
All of the above add up to evra crying wolf and suarez being victimised. i'd be interested to hear what john barnes might say on the issue knowing his history and the abuse he suffered in his playing days.....
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barnes has given suarez his full support and called the whole thing a witch hunt - why would a player who has suffered racist abuse defend suarez if he was guilty
 
Barnes seemed rather confused about the whole thing when he was interviewed on 5 Live - at first he was ranting about kicking racism out of football and his bad experiences even within his own dressing rooms. He then started to say it was all a witch hunt and why was it all being talked about - rather ironic that he was prepared to go on air then.
Suarez is a diving cheat, Evra is a diving cheat and Terry is a scum-bag - I hope they get all they deserve..
 
Well said Aberdeen , the case against suarez looks suss to say the least , beyond reasonable doubt to get a conviction folks:)
Now Evra seems he has form on this anyone else think he has cried wolf once or twice to often <laugh> For me and Aberdeen at least there is no racism case for Suarez to answer for! There is a case for Evra`s behaviour and his cheating and bring the game into disrepute!
 
I think the point is he didn't really believe there was a case to answer so not much effort went into the initial case. The appeal however will be a different matter. JB and Luther have been very active in the kick racism out and JB sems to echo my thoughts in really this should've been kicked out on day 1 as a non case, I didn't see the match but the body language in the videos I've seen seems to suggest Evra as aggressor and Suarez trying to make light which is also consistent with the reported verbage used.
 
colognehornet said:
Maybe we should be stressing more the positive side of immigration rather than always talking about having to put up with it. I for one am glad to live in a multi cultural society. Without immigration our health system would collapse and our pension system as well, and by 'our' I mean both Britain and Germany here.
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Maybe we should, but my experiences are that that is a losing battle. I sometimes think that there must be a gene for it, present in every race on the planet but dormant in some people whilst active in others - I can't think of a corner of the planet where the primitive, tribal attitude of us vs them hasn't reared it's ugly head like a blight on the landscape, but attempts to eradicate it have simply proven fruitless. I do think that our only option is to learn to live with the problem without resorting to legislating against it. Human nature is that laws are there to be broken and broken they are with alarming regularity, so it simply won't work.

Suarez and Evra should simply go behind the bikesheds and square up to each other, or go to the pub, buy each other a drink and flipping well talk it through.
 
Alternatively is not the football ground a place for us to vent our tribal frustrations verbally hence the songs and banter between fans? All sport is there as a substitute for war, the pitch has always been a place in my amateur football and cricket days anyway where for 90 minutes or a day or 40 overs you'd be at war with the opposing team using verbal and physical manipulation within the rules to gain advantage. Then after the game it is always shake hands and go for a beer. I don't like Blatter but you can see where he's coming from and unless there is real racist intent these things should be sorted at the end of the game...
 
Think this is a fair footnote



@JohnBishop100
John Bishop
I have been out of the storm. Everyone agrees racism is bad but when you don't apply common sense you alienate rather than educate
 
I thought I'd bump this now that the report has been released:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Discipli...Written Reasons of Regulatory Commission.ashx

The crux of the FA's judgement is that people on the Liverpool end consistently changed their story to make themselves look better, that Evra's account tallies with the video evidence and what he said to the referee during and after the match, and that Suarez's claim that he used negro in a friendly context does not tally with how the two players interacted during the match. They have concluded that Suarez told Evra that he kicked him "because he was black", when challenged he said "I don't speak to blacks", and when Evra threatened to do something about it he said "Okay, blackie blackie blackie".
 
What I do find surprising is that Evra has openly admitted to starting the exchange (albeit a few minutes after being fouled on a knee he has had injury problems with) with the words "Concha de tu hermana", and escaped punishment. I won't translate, but it's in line with what Materazzi said to Zidane.
 
They showed on SSN this morning a clip where Dirk Kuyt puts himself between LS and PE in which you can see DK pinch LSs arm. I'm assuming that the commission would've seen that, so has DK incriminated his own team-mate with that gesture?

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Having just seen NNWs comment, it could be interpreted as DK trying to stop a repeat of what Zizou did to Materazzi.
 
The Two faces of Patrice Evra?

The FA have found him to be the more credible witness after interviewing both - yet his case is built on a lie. He claims that the racial abuse occurred after he asked Suarez why he had kicked him, however it's quite clear from video evidence that Suarez never kicked him.

Jsybarry - I wouldn't read too much into the arm pinching. That's an old trick used in my playing days - used to defuse possible fights by deflecting attention.
 
MadMoose said:
Regardless of what was or was not said, I don't think there is enough proof either way.
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While the FA have effectively gone along with Evra's account, even if they accept Suarez's version (that he only used the word once), it seems clear that they don't accept his defence (that he used the word in a friendly context). Therefore he probably would've gotten a four match ban on the basis of comments that aren't in dispute.
 
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