Off Topic Lord Mayor

[Drew]

[QUOTE="Drew, post: 18345153, member: 1017245"]But isn’t a rise in deportations year on year a start?

There is a huge backlog in asylum applications - this Government have had two years to start clearing that. Shouldn’t we judge it after they’ve had longer to do get ut going faster and faster? It was never going to be an overnight thing.

Personally speaking,. no.... when you allow 10 in and kick one out, that is never going to ease the burden on the backlog. To say deportations are up, is it 10% , 20% 50% and then when we've stablished that, the question of what was the starting position comes next.[/QUOTE]

The current government has no control over the starting position.

It’s a huge order to set up, staff, and engage a system to have deportations higher than arrivals in the time since the GE - considering you have to start with the people who claimed asylum the longest time ago.

As long as deportations increase over the government term to a more sustainable level I think that’s going in the right direction?

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

So are we engaging in asylum processes or not? If we leave it to other countries, won’t asylum seekers continue to try and get here?

Or we can have a better discussion about how people claim asylum in the U.K. to help with our backlog and try to prevent people being here illegally?

What is set up at the moment clearly isn’t working but promising to shut up shop also feels destined to failure.

Maybe the argument is the definition of asylum and the conventions in place and being rigid about it. There is no deterrent, the only thing we aren't paying for is the cost of getting here, but somehow we will be funding that in the long term.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Personally speaking,. no.... when you allow 10 in and kick one out, that is never going to ease the burden on the backlog. To say deportations are up, is it 10% , 20% 50% and then when we've stablished that, the question of what was the starting position comes next.

The current government has no control over the starting position.

It’s a huge order to set up, staff, and engage a system to have deportations higher than arrivals in the time since the GE - considering you have to start with the people who claimed asylum the longest time ago.

As long as deportations increase over the government term to a more sustainable level I think that’s going in the right direction?[/QUOTE]


Sorry Drew... and we are all entitled to opinion and I thin k its great everyone has respected each other here on a non normal thread, BUT, your dreaming. The asylum system like pretty much everything else in this country os ****ed... and until the deterrent is in place, we/ the government will never catch up. But thats just my opinion.

 

[Asterix]

So are we engaging in asylum processes or not? If we leave it to other countries, won’t asylum seekers continue to try and get here?

Or we can have a better discussion about how people claim asylum in the U.K. to help with our backlog and try to prevent people being here illegally?

What is set up at the moment clearly isn’t working but promising to shut up shop also feels destined to failure.

It is all a mess. Genuine asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, all lumped together. But, I would suggest if you are fleeing persecution, crossing from France to the UK in a rubber boat has only one motive. And that ain't cos you are running for your life.

 

[Drew]

The current government has no control over the starting position.

It’s a huge order to set up, staff, and engage a system to have deportations higher than arrivals in the time since the GE - considering you have to start with the people who claimed asylum the longest time ago.

As long as deportations increase over the government term to a more sustainable level I think that’s going in the right direction?

Sorry Drew... and we are all entitled to opinion and I thin k its great everyone has respected each other here on a non normal thread, BUT, your dreaming. The asylum system like pretty much everything else in this country os ****ed... and until the deterrent is in place, we/ the government will never catch up. But thats just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

What am I dreaming about though?

I agree with you that the current asylum system is a mess. Completely and utterly agree with you.

But it’s also a fact that people will try and come here - deterrent or no deterrent. Engaging with the process means we still have asylum seekers but there is much less risk of people going missing or staying in hotels for years on end:

 

[originalminority]

To be honest our civic leadership has been faily sh*t for a long time, since Pat Doyle in Hull and Steve Parnaby in ER it's gone downhill, another reason for the change in voting.

 

[originallambrettaman]

But isn’t a rise in deportations year on year a start?

Has there been an increase? The last figures I saw had 33,000 deportations in the official figures for the year up to end September 2024, but the estimated figures for deportations for the year up to end March 2025 were 24,000. And though they're called deportations, we actually just paid a lot of them to go home.

 

[Drew]

Has there been an increase? The last figures I saw had 33,000 deportations in the official figures for the year up to end September 2024, but the estimated figures for deportations for the year up to end March 2025 were 24,000. And though they're called deportations, we actually just paid a lot of them to go home.

As I said in my initial post - I could very well be wrong and if I am then that would be another frustration I could add that I mentioned about Labour’s government so far.

But at the same time it doesn’t mean I don’t stand by the point that change takes time.

 

[originallambrettaman]

It seems not many were too interested in the vote...

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[Gone For A Walk]

...and look who's getting deported and to where (Vs who aren't).

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Would you support establishing more legal routes of entry into the U.K. as an Asylum Seeker?

As it stands the Governments own advice is to claim asylum when you reach the U.K so as long as people do that then they aren’t illegal. https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum

Possibly .... but there has to be limits. We, and the West more generally, can't be the answer to the world's problems.

 

[Asterix]

It seems not many were too interested in the vote...

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How long does it take to count 327 ballot papers???

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Sorry Drew... and we are all entitled to opinion and I thin k its great everyone has respected each other here on a non normal thread, BUT, your dreaming. The asylum system like pretty much everything else in this country os ****ed... and until the deterrent is in place, we/ the government will never catch up. But thats just my opinion.

What am I dreaming about though?

I agree with you that the current asylum system is a mess. Completely and utterly agree with you.

But it’s also a fact that people will try and come here - deterrent or no deterrent. Engaging with the process means we still have asylum seekers but there is much less risk of people going missing or staying in hotels for years on end:[/QUOTE]


That its going in the right direction. Any government will say they are doing better than their predecessor. I was watching one of those parliamentary enquires on the subject. YT if you want to find it. They are just now looking at asylum claims from 4 years ago.

 

[Drew]

What am I dreaming about though?

I agree with you that the current asylum system is a mess. Completely and utterly agree with you.

But it’s also a fact that people will try and come here - deterrent or no deterrent. Engaging with the process means we still have asylum seekers but there is much less risk of people going missing or staying in hotels for years on end:

That its going in the right direction. Any government will say they are doing better than their predecessor. I was watching one of those parliamentary enquires on the subject. YT if you want to find it. They are just now looking at asylum claims from 4 years ago.[/QUOTE]

4 years ago isn’t this Governments fault.

As I said - I agree with you. The Asylum system needs complete change. But I would say the change needed needs significantly more engagement from us in the international asylum process - otherwise the boat crossings will continue forever.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

That its going in the right direction. Any government will say they are doing better than their predecessor. I was watching one of those parliamentary enquires on the subject. YT if you want to find it. They are just now looking at asylum claims from 4 years ago.

4 years ago isn’t this Governments fault.

As I said - I agree with you. The Asylum system needs complete change. But I would say the change needed needs significantly more engagement from us in the international asylum process - otherwise the boat crossings will continue forever.[/QUOTE]

This government could make huge strides on two fronts, one the process and second the electorate by immediately creating a lasting and meaningful deterrent. Successive different coloured government s have all been at fault.

 

[Drew]

Has there been an increase? The last figures I saw had 33,000 deportations in the official figures for the year up to end September 2024, but the estimated figures for deportations for the year up to end March 2025 were 24,000. And though they're called deportations, we actually just paid a lot of them to go home.

This is an interesting link - mainly posting for myself to analyse later as I haven’t properly yet.

Published last month

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....tion-and-removal-what-is-driving-the-numbers/

 

[Edelman]

It feels like the majority of the benefit is for Hull, not ER. Rightly or wrongly. For any merge to be successful, there has to be benefits for both sides, otherwise it'd never pass a referendum. Didn't ER do a non-binding vote a few years ago now about a similar topic when the people returned a resounding no? "Something" needs to change for peoples opinion to also change.

It was a very resounding no if I remember .

 

[Charon]

That its going in the right direction. Any government will say they are doing better than their predecessor. I was watching one of those parliamentary enquires on the subject. YT if you want to find it. They are just now looking at asylum claims from 4 years ago.

4 years ago isn’t this Governments fault.

As I said - I agree with you. The Asylum system needs complete change. But I would say the change needed needs significantly more engagement from us in the international asylum process - otherwise the boat crossings will continue forever.[/QUOTE


Corbyn visits Jungle refugee camp and urges UK to take more – as hundreds storm port
JEREMY CORBYN has urged the Government to take in more refugees as he visited the infamous “Jungle” camp in Calais.

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Jeremy Corbyn has urged the Government to take in more refugees


It's this government's fault and responsibility because their leader invited them all to come

 

[Kempton tiger]

It seems not many were too interested in the vote...

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I am not completely sure about the role of Mayor, but I find it bizarre (and it can't help with the decision making process) that Hull is likely to have Labour MPs, a Lib Dem Council, Tory Police and Crime Commissioner and a Reform Mayor!

 

[eimaj]

I am not completely sure about the role of Mayor, but I find it bizarre (and it can't help with the decision making process) that Hull is likely to have Labour MPs, a Lib Dem Council, Tory Police and Crime Commissioner and a Reform Mayor!

A fine example of DEI.