Off Topic Lord Mayor

[Plum]

Not surprised at this result and others across the country, it's like Brexit all over again.

 

[Newland Tiger]

Give it a few weeks and people will be complaining that Luke Campbell
hasn't changed anything yet

 

[TwoWrights]

You're obviously too young to remember the total shambles the nationalised industries were in the 70s - massively subsidised by the taxpayer, always on strike and totally inefficient - I worked in the power sector at the time, as soon as the power stations were privatised, staff numbers fell from around 1600 at a 2000 mw power station to about 400 - and nobody could tell the difference except the safety records improved drastically and costs reduced significantly and power prices came down - so don't run away with the idea that nationalising everything will make things better, it most definitely won't - just look at the mess the NHS is in - claiming its underfunded means more money being pumped in and exactly the same will be said about water, electricity etc - then we will have gone full circle back to the taxpayer paying for inefficient, union run monoliths lapping up billions and billions of tax payers money - what we have isn't perfect but going back to the seventies isn't 'progressive' but very much regressive

The cheapest, and top of customer satisfaction ratings, water company is the state owned Scottish Water.

 

[Drew]

Considering the turnout was so low i see this as Lib Dem, Cons and Labour being hard to vote for than a sweeping win for Reform to be honest.

Good luck to Luke Campbell, I hope he knows what hes in for with this role as its not going to be easy,

 

[Asterix]

They did, but on the basis of a one-off vote that not many people were taking all that seriously - hence the really pitiful turnout.

I’d see it more like the European elections we used to have - clearly highly embarrassing for Labour, but in some ways typical of that type of ‘unimportant’ election relatively soon after a General Election.

None of which means the last couple of days haven’t been pretty seismic. The fact that tactical voting was widespread and Reform still won is significant, I just don’t buy that it tells you as much yet as Reform supporters hope it does.

Tactical and protest votes, as you say, have been used in lesser elections. But could it be a wake up call for the main parties?

 

[originalminority]

Considering the turnout was so low i see this as Lib Dem, Cons and Labour being hard to vote for than a sweeping win for Reform to be honest.

Good luck to Luke Campbell, I hope he knows what hes in for with this role as its not going to be easy,

In the past the LD's would hoover up mid term protest votes, no reason they are hard to vote for in this Mayor election, possibly a better candidate than Lab/Con as well, so it is a sweeping win for Reform. Good luck Luke.

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

Considering the turnout was so low i see this as Lib Dem, Cons and Labour being hard to vote for than a sweeping win for Reform to be honest.

Good luck to Luke Campbell, I hope he knows what hes in for with this role as its not going to be easy,

^^^^This^^^^

I'm no fan of either regional Mayors or Reform but he's won and I hope that he achieves good things for the people of Hull and East Riding.

 

[Help!]

Tactical and protest votes, as you say, have been used in lesser elections. But could it be a wake up call for the main parties?

Absolutely, yes. Though what they do, and what they should do, are a different question.

We’re clearly into actual politics now, but on a thread where it has been discussed civilly and which will inevitably end up getting locked at some point anyway, so on that basis:

I would infer from the numbers I added to the post that you quoted that support for Reform and its main arguments is capped at around 30%. I suspect that Labour, like the Tories before them, will fall into the trap of trying to win these people back by competing with Reform on the same issues, which only keeps those issues live and Reform in the spotlight.

As a consultant rather than a voter with any skin in the game if they asked me I’d actually suggest that they’ve probably lost that 30% forever and re-engage with the 70% on other issues rather than dancing to Reform’s tune, but whether they will (or should) may be a moot point.

 

[balkan tiger]

Absolutely, yes. Though what they do, and what they should do, are a different question.

We’re clearly into actual politics now, but on a thread where it has been discussed civilly and which will inevitably end up getting locked at some point anyway, so on that basis:

I would infer from the numbers I added to the post that you quoted that support for Reform and its main arguments is capped at around 30%. I suspect that Labour, like the Tories before them, will fall into the trap of trying to win these people back by competing with Reform on the same issues, which only keeps those issues live and Reform in the spotlight.

As a consultant rather than a voter with any skin in the game if they asked me I’d actually suggest that they’ve probably lost that 30% forever and re-engage with the 70% on other issues rather than dancing to Reform’s tune, but whether they will (or should) may be a moot point.

Don't most general elections get won by the party with around 30% of the vote?

 

[Charon]

The cheapest, and top of customer satisfaction ratings, water company is the state owned Scottish Water.

that's because they have all those mountains and free fresh water literally on tap - having said that most Scots are pissed all the time anyway and most think Buckfast comes out of the tap

 

[Asterix]

Absolutely, yes. Though what they do, and what they should do, are a different question.

We’re clearly into actual politics now, but on a thread where it has been discussed civilly and which will inevitably end up getting locked at some point anyway, so on that basis:

I would infer from the numbers I added to the post that you quoted that support for Reform and its main arguments is capped at around 30%. I suspect that Labour, like the Tories before them, will fall into the trap of trying to win these people back by competing with Reform on the same issues, which only keeps those issues live and Reform in the spotlight.

As a consultant rather than a voter with any skin in the game if they asked me I’d actually suggest that they’ve probably lost that 30% forever and re-engage with the 70% on other issues rather than dancing to Reform’s tune, but whether they will (or should) may be a moot point.

I am somewhat surprised this thread has reached 13 pages.

I think the mods should allow politics, and ban where the most abuse rears it's head.
The match thread.

 

[Help!]

Don't most general elections get won by the party with around 30% of the vote?

Simple answer, no.

Longer answer - it depends. Labour won the last election on a landslide with 33.7% vote share. They lost the 2017 election with 40%.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/717004/general-elections-vote-share-by-party-uk/

 

[Drew]

In the past the LD's would hoover up mid term protest votes, no reason they are hard to vote for in this Mayor election, possibly a better candidate than Lab/Con as well, so it is a sweeping win for Reform. Good luck Luke.

I more meant that the candidates for the other parties were uninspiring and therefore people didn’t feel compelled to vote for them.

I personally don’t feel a 35% vote share on turnout of 30% can be described as a sweeping win for anyone.

The vote was there to be won by any party by convincing people to turn out and they all failed. Reform won fair and square - but it was a flat election and I hope Campbell’s body of work is better than his campaign.

 

[originallambrettaman]

The cheapest, and top of customer satisfaction ratings, water company is the state owned Scottish Water.

Scottish Water was my supplier at my flat in London, they were ****ing hopeless. It took them eighteen months to figure out they were billing me based on the wrong meter and they had to refund me a grand.

 

[SW3 Chelsea Tiger]

Scottish Water was my supplier at my flat in London, they were ****ing hopeless. It took them eighteen months to figure out they were billing me based on the wrong meter and they had to refund me a grand.

Must have been a long hosepipe down to London lol

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Hope this is ok to post... thought it interesting and shocking in one...

If the runcorn by election result 17% swing was replicated at a GE this would be the outcome... source Daily Express...

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[balkan tiger]

Simple answer, no.

Longer answer - it depends. Labour won the last election on a landslide with 33.7% vote share. They lost the 2017 election with 40%.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/717004/general-elections-vote-share-by-party-uk/

Until now it was largely a two horse race with a couple of others way behind (lib dem and green) What I have seen in east Europe is the larger the number of parties the easier it is for the biggest to win if you see what I mean.

 

[PLT]

Until now it was largely a two horse race with a couple of others way behind (lib dem and green) What I have seen in east Europe is the larger the number of parties the easier it is for the biggest to win if you see what I mean.

I think this is a problem for non-Reform parties, as seen in this mayoral election. Labour, Lib Dem and even Conservatives were offering pretty much the same thing, but all competing with each other for votes. Labour in particular were on doorsteps trying to convince people that they had the best chance of beating Reform. So they knew that that was something that a lot of people wanted, and used it to try and win votes for themselves, but they must've known that they actually had basically no chance and all they were actually doing is weakening the opposition to Reform. So what was the point? It seems like all the major parties stand in every possible election just as a point of principle even if they have no chance of achieving anything. Labour surely might as well have just stepped aside in this one, to boost another candidate with a more realistic chance of getting a result closer to what they stand for. I think at some point some of these parties might have to start working together a bit better. Four or five parties splitting the 'moderate' vote between them and getting nowhere is in none of their interests.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Not sure how I feel about Ross really but agree that the candidates aren't a brilliant selection and their campaign angle are weak.

But on your last sentence, again, if it really is about wanting change and being sick of the status quo as you and others say then there are parties who genuinely do offer that, with policies totally different to what we have in the mainstream now. But people who say that actually seem to be drawn to Reform, who's policies and interests are a more extreme version of the Conservatives and whose main campaigning point is small boats, just as it was with the Tories for the last few years of their time in power. It isn't really about change is it?

The people voted for Brexit, and we didn't get it, we voted for Boris thinking he would deliver Brexit, and we didn't get it, Brexit meaning, basically, stop the illegal immigrants coming across costing the taxpayer £8m a week in hotels alone and, instead put the British people first, but the peoples voice was ignored and on the back of that the Reform party filled the void. Today we all saw what happens when you ignore the people.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

People have managed to be civil, so it should at least last until the results are in.

It was a two horse race in the run up (LibDem/Reform) and is looking more like a one horse race now.

Luke was a great boxer and seems a decent enough fella, but he's absolute no idea what he's doing with regard to this position and it really needed some more than just an ambassador for the area. He'll be hopeless, sadly.

You say he is hopeless, and he still wiped the floor with the rest of them. Says a lot for the opposition, so good luck to the the lad, a proper Hull lad at that, and I hope he gets the guidance and help he needs to promote this region and get the funding the other liars and 5hister have failed to get over the years.