All of the information in the two tables is correct, but the additional summary added to the bottom of the tables is incorrect and/or misleading. Current excess deaths stand at 58,555 for the year to date regardless of cause in a year which should have seen a huge drop in the number of people dying from flu and pneumonia (along with other contagious diseases and infections) due to shielding of the most vulnerable. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...eredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest The summary at the bottom of your post is no more valid than saying that Covid reduces tribal violence at football matches as there have been zero arrests for football hooliganism since the outbreak began.
The point he is trying to make is that currently there are no excess deaths or not many of them with us being in as they say a huge pandemic (not saying we aren’t mind). Where there excess deaths in the Spring. Most definitely.
That's the exact opposite of what the figures show. The point is that year to date there are 58,555 excess deaths. We can argue about what caused those excess deaths, but not whether they are there or not.
I never said there wasn’t excess deaths for the year. Those excess deaths came in the spring. Is there currently excess deaths for this time of the year?? Not for the full year for now this moment in Time?
Approximately 1700 per week https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...eredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest
B Ignore me we do have excess deaths just compared to 2018 this time of year we had prity much the same and didn’t shut down everything and stop people from seeing their family. It’s just pissing me off.
I am not using anything to work it out. I am quoting the official ONS figures as quoted in the link I gave. The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 6 November 2020 (Week 45) was 11,812; this was 925 more deaths than in Week 44. In Week 45, the number of deaths registered was 14.3% above the five-year average (1,481 deaths higher). Of the deaths registered in Week 45, 1,937 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 16.4% of all deaths in England and Wales; this is an increase of 558 deaths compared with Week 44 (when there were 1,379 deaths involving COVID-19, accounting for 12.7% of all deaths). Of the 1,937 deaths that involved COVID-19, 1,743 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (90.0%); of the 2,267 deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 307 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (13.5%). The number of deaths in hospitals was above the five-year average in Week 45 for the third consecutive week (520 more deaths); the number of deaths in private homes and care homes was also above the five-year average (997 and 38 more deaths respectively), but deaths in other locations were below the five-year average (76 fewer deaths). In England, the total number of deaths increased from 10,166 (Week 44) to 10,962 (Week 45); all English regions had higher or the same overall deaths as the five-year average. Overall, there were 1,771 deaths involving COVID-19 in England in Week 45; the number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased in all of the English regions, with the North West having the largest number (568 deaths). In Wales, the number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased from 121 deaths (Week 44) to 166 deaths (Week 45), while the total number of deaths in Week 45 was 207 deaths higher than the five-year average. Based on a statistical model that allows for the time taken for deaths to be registered, we estimate that the number of deaths actually occurring (rather than registered) in Week 45 in England and Wales was between 10,912 and 13,671. The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 6 November 2020 (Week 45) was 13,418, which was 1,717 deaths higher than the five-year average and 911 deaths more than Week 44; of the deaths registered in the UK in Week 45, 2,225 deaths involved COVID-19, 627 deaths higher than in Week 44.
On a positive note the biggest study of its kind found this. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html
What's very clear is we are killing lots of people unnecessarily. Not from COVID. But that isn't sexy so those people don't matter.
How do they determine COVID is the cause of death? If its a positive test then that can be pretty much dismissed anyway as we know factually, based on their own admission, that the test is not accurate. How many of the 58,555 are as a result of COVID? That Public Health England data seems to suggest the lockdown is killing way more than COVID.
