Transfer Rumours Let's ignore the big ****ing elephant and blame the latest manager, again. Are we nearly there yet?

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Christiansmith said:
with all the talk from Arnold about how the club will definitely prioritise the purchase of DeJong and TenHaag apparently getting frustrated with the deal not going through, is it any surprise that Barcelona will stick to their asking price? Even a seven year old can see that there is no incentive for the sellers to reduce the price. All the talk of taking advantage of Barcelona’s financial problems just pie in the sky. Utd will eventually pay the original asking price or very close to it. When a club is keen to get a player it should pay the asking price. Look at the top recent purchases of City and the RS. Pay the asking price and move on. None of the protracted drama which Utd always seem to be involved in.
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I do not get the logic either. Especially when you've committed to it in public which further puts the seller in a position of power. Who fkin cares at that point if you pay £10m-15m more? It is embarrassing to have this play out in public.

If they believe that the valuation is silly... Move on really quickly which turns the table on the seller.

glazerfodder said:
The Barca members voted just the other day to sell off their retailing arm, a move that will raise €500m plus in the foreseeable future so the financial imperative for Barca to sell off players just vanished. Even if the retail arm sale is years away they will borrow against that capital injection in the short to medium term. Their immediate focus is on bringing in players rather than selling so we may well have to pay the full asking price and be done with it.
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YUP! Who would have thought?! That is point #3 that CS drew up. It was always going to be likely that Barca would find funds somewhere and not issue a distressed sale of players.
 
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The Dutchman fears his World Cup chances will be negatively affected by a move to the Theatre of Dreams, where he’s unlikely to be an automatic first choice.

Louis van Gaal has warned Dutch players that they must be playing week in, week out for their clubs if they’re to make his World Cup squad and Timber is said to be ‘spooked’ by the warning.
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That is the classic textbook case of how protracted negotiations tactics is useless in football. You drop the ball by letting the public know that you're firmly interested in a player before agreements are in place or at least close to it. Then you let it linger around that others start whispering which drives in doubts or other bidders. Sounds like what we did with Darwin as well.

I know that Chief mentioned earlier that not getting Timber is not the end of the world. But my first thought when I read that was - why even bother be linked to him publicly if you were never really that interested in the player? Surely it matters if you're willing to pay double digits millions for any player only to watch the deal to fall apart.

But I do agree on another Chief's point that if a player is concerned that they may not get first team football at the club, then perhaps we need someone that is certain in their own ability to earn first team football.
 
Christiansmith said:
with all the talk from Arnold about how the club will definitely prioritise the purchase of DeJong and TenHaag apparently getting frustrated with the deal not going through, is it any surprise that Barcelona will stick to their asking price? Even a seven year old can see that there is no incentive for the sellers to reduce the price. All the talk of taking advantage of Barcelona’s financial problems just pie in the sky. Utd will eventually pay the original asking price or very close to it. When a club is keen to get a player it should pay the asking price. Look at the top recent purchases of City and the RS. Pay the asking price and move on. None of the protracted drama which Utd always seem to be involved in.
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Apparently the difference is €10/15 million!

They really should just go halves and shake on it ffs. Neither side is covering itself in glory if this is genuinely the figure.
 
cytrax said:
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The Dutchman fears his World Cup chances will be negatively affected by a move to the Theatre of Dreams, where he’s unlikely to be an automatic first choice.

Louis van Gaal has warned Dutch players that they must be playing week in, week out for their clubs if they’re to make his World Cup squad and Timber is said to be ‘spooked’ by the warning.
"

That is the classic textbook case of how protracted negotiations tactics is useless in football. You drop the ball by letting the public know that you're firmly interested in a player before agreements are in place or at least close to it. Then you let it linger around that others start whispering which drives in doubts or other bidders. Sounds like what we did with Darwin as well.

I know that Chief mentioned earlier that not getting Timber is not the end of the world. But my first thought when I read that was - why even bother be linked to him publicly if you were never really that interested in the player? Surely it matters if you're willing to pay double digits millions for any player only to watch the deal to fall apart.

But I do agree on another Chief's point that if a player is concerned that they may not get first team football at the club, then perhaps we need someone that is certain in their own ability to earn first team football.
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Timber is filling the same slot vacated by ABW if we get rid, so really not that important on the grand scheme of things. It can wait.

But yeah, if has not got confidence in his own ability look elsewhere ffs.

We've prospects of our own Ten Hag can work with.
 
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I mean, why the f should a right or left back be holding up a deal anyway? And there are tons of good ones in the league that we could tie up quickly that are better than AWB.
 
Chief said:
Because there's a transfer budget, and it depends how much de Jong costs first.

Just a guess?
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Only thing I'd say is, it's clear we were in for Nunez and De Jong and had a cap of around £60m on Nunez and pulled out (rightly so) when they wanted more.

My point being I can't see the transfer budget depending on buying De Jong first considering that was going.
 
“Manchester United are set to table a new £69million (€80m) offer for Porto forward Evanilson after their initial bid was turned down, according to reports.”

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I hope that’s not accurate. It would be stupid to pay that much money for the player. £40m max in my opinion!
 
cytrax said:
“Manchester United are set to table a new £69million (€80m) offer for Porto forward Evanilson after their initial bid was turned down, according to reports.”

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I hope that’s not accurate. It would be stupid to pay that much money for the player. £40m max in my opinion!
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Never heard of him so not going to put a price on him.
First time i have seen him mentioned so if accurate about initial bid it's nice to see things are going on outside the public eye, maybe now some can stop worrying about our presumed lack of action.
 
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Diego said:
Never heard of him so not going to put a price on him.
First time i have seen him mentioned so if accurate about initial bid it's nice to see things are going on outside the public eye, maybe now some can stop worrying about our presumed lack of action.
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You're excited about spending €80m on a guy that most have never heard of... I think you should rightly start worrying!

The idea screams of desperation!
 
Diego said:
Do you struggle to understand what you read?
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Yes! lol

In any event, I hope we are not going to spend more than what has been reported as the first bid. €80 on a striker that has never scored 20 league goals in a season seem rather excessive.
 
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Christiansmith said:
Are we moving Ajax into the premiership…player by player <cool> ?
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<laugh>

I'm wondering, if it is the Dutch connection, why not go for the players that Ajax are planning to cherry pick from other clubs? Someone will probably tell me that they rely heavily on their academy so fair enough, but I'm sure Ten Hag has recruited Ajax players from other clubs through his contacts. Just a thought.
 
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Treble said:
Thoughts? Have to say there's a part of me that just wants us to walk away. Fck 'em.

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Its really simple. It depends on how much Utd (or more precisely TH) wants the player. If he is one who is crucial to the team (and it seems that Arnold has admitted it) then Utd just pays the asking price without further drama. If he is not crucial and Utd thinks he is overvalued then FFS just walk away. No point going on pursuing this utterly pointless drama. It is life. It happens in all walks of life. If a buyer desperately wants something a house, a car, a piece of art then the seller dictates the price. If the buyer is not happy he walks away.

It is simple. If we are really desperate to acquire the player we pay the ****ing asking price. If we are not then we walk away. The RS desperately wanted to get Nunez, so they paid the full asking price.
 
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Diego said:
Torn here, get the new manager the players he actually wants and pay up or tel Barca to **** off and ask ETH to make anoher pick.
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Don't know about you, but that feeling of telling them to fck off is purely down to clubs treating us like mugs. Justifiably so tbf after that grade A prick Woodward's desire to conduct transfer business like a fanboy. But we have to change that now and making a stand here may be the beginning of that.

Edit: Btw we did with Nunez so why not.
 
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Diego said:
Torn here, get the new manager the players he actually wants and pay up or tell Barca to **** off and ask ETH to make another pick.
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We surely must learn from the waste of the last 10 years. Give the manager the players he wants. No excuses. After squandering a billion on players who didn’t fit.
 
Treble said:
Don't know about you, but that feeling of telling them to fck off is purely down to clubs treating us like mugs. Justifiably so tbf after that grade A prick Woodward's desire to conduct transfer business like a fanboy. But we have to change that now and making a stand here may be the beginning of that.

Edit: Btw we did with Nunez so why not.
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Oh clubs definitely take the piss with us, that's why SAF used to give Gill 4 names for a position, if the first club takes the piss move on in the list.
 
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