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Inter were a good side domestically (helped no end by the scandal that meant Inter won titles they didn't 'win' plus Juve's relegation) but until Jose took over they did very little in the C.L. Jose comes in, loses his best player in Ibrahimovic and wins their only ever treble. It was a fantastic job he did there. Ditto Porto and us.

When you look at how Real have faired in the league since he left, you'd have to say he did a relatively good job there as well with record point hauls and taking a title off Barca. He made C.L semi every year and went out on pens twice if memory serves. The guys a serial winner.

Our failures this year can't just be levelled at the manager IMO as he is not doing anything significantly different despite having effectively the same squad. No one can seem to put a finger on it and it's probably a combo of lots of smaller issues snowballing into a disaster. It's practically unheard of to happen nowadays but there is always a first!

I think Jose is up against a few bad apples who are spreading poison throughout the squad. Get rid I say.
 
Even if you don't lose at the Emirates, we're still going to have a better season than you. Which isn't hard to be fair, but I think that's a fairly weak comeback. <ok> Kind of like your team's attempts at winning games this season.
Well its about time you did have a better season than us
i can't remember the last time you did.... you should make the
most of this season,cos it won't last.
 
Well its about time you did have a better season than us
i can't remember the last time you did.... you should make the
most of this season,cos it won't last.
To be fair they had a better season than you in 2013/14. They finished in the CL places and won the FA Cup.
 
He has gotten away with it in the past by having the luxury of large budgets and having no longevity at clubs, leaving on his own terms when things have gotten tough. You can refer to Porto all you like, I think with time its showing that his achievements their with the minimal budget and resources was a once-off. His self-aggrandising behaviour and willingness to point the blame at other people except for himself show how toxic he really is. He knows as well as anyone that his man management techniques with his players will never work out in the long haul and that's being perfectly demonstrated now.

His budget at Inter's was smaller than Arsenal's 2009/10. Who won the Champions League with Eto on the wing Milito. Pandev and ageing Zanetti??

And got Unaiao de Lieira, a club the size of Orient, into CL spots,

I think his methods work best the fewer the egos. He's be a great Sunday league coach ;)
 
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Inter were a good side domestically (helped no end by the scandal that meant Inter won titles they didn't 'win' plus Juve's relegation) but until Jose took over they did very little in the C.L. Jose comes in, loses his best player in Ibrahimovic and wins their only ever treble. It was a fantastic job he did there. Ditto Porto and us.

When you look at how Real have faired in the league since he left, you'd have to say he did a relatively good job there as well with record point hauls and taking a title off Barca. He made C.L semi every year and went out on pens twice if memory serves. The guys a serial winner.

Our failures this year can't just be levelled at the manager IMO as he is not doing anything significantly different despite having effectively the same squad. No one can seem to put a finger on it and it's probably a combo of lots of smaller issues snowballing into a disaster. It's practically unheard of to happen nowadays but there is always a first!

That's a fair reply back, to be honest. <ok>

All WUMmery aside, I have no doubt that he is a very, very good manager because the amount of silverware that he's won at the age of 52 is incredible and no-one can take that away from him, but I still feel like he's always had everything set-up perfectly for him, in pretty much the best circumstances, at almost every club he's been at.

In addition to this, I also maintain my view that he needs to be able to stay at a club long-term because jumping from club to club every few years doesn't provide enough insight as to whether he is capable of building and prolonging a successful squad over a substantial amount of time. I think we have to agree to disagree about his tenure at Real Madrid, as well. He did well in 1 of the 3 seasons he was there and when you have literally everything you could possibly wish for at a club, like he did at Madrid, he didn't achieve as much as he should have. Once again though, I'd argue he wasn't there long enough to form a genuine assessment because when things went sour, he left the club.

I agree that not everything can be put on him for your team's indifferent form and this is the first time that he's been in a situation as tricky as this, but as the manager, he does have to take the large portion of responsibility because the buck stops with him. His self-centred & arrogant comments in the media, public criticism of certain players and perhaps some of his in-game management decisions have to be questioned.
 
His budget at Inter's was smaller than Arsenal's 2009/10. Who won the Champions League with Eto on the wing Milito. Pandev and ageing Zanetti??

And got Unaiao de Lieira, a club the size of Orient, into CL spots,

I think his methods work best the fewer the egos. He's be a great Sunday league coach ;)

First of all, that statement is incorrect. I checked the transfers brought in for both clubs. We spent £10m that season on Vermaelen and brought in a few players on frees. Inter Milan had brought in Motta, Lucio, Eto'o, Pandev, Sneijder & Milito. It's not even close as to who spent more.

Second of all, even if that was true (which I've proven it wasn't), it's a bit of a disingenuous comparison. If you have already have a squad at its peak and your team is breeding success for multiple years running, there is less incentive to spend big because the players within the squad have already shown that they are capable of winning.
 
First of all, that statement is incorrect. I checked the transfers brought in for both clubs. We spent £10m that season on Vermaelen and brought in a few players on frees. Inter Milan had brought in Motta, Lucio, Eto'o, Pandev, Sneijder & Milito. It's not even close as to who spent more.

Second of all, even if that was true (which I've proven it wasn't), it's a bit of a disingenuous comparison. If you have already have a squad at its peak and your team is breeding success for multiple years running, there is less incentive to spend big because the players within the squad have already shown that they are capable of winning.

Transfers are only part of a club's budget, you need to include wages too.

You have contradicted yourself saying Mourinho brought in lots of players but that he already had a winning squad.

Which one is true?

Let me correct you.

In the second season he rebuilt Inter's side.

The first season he won the league largely with Mancini's iteration
 
Transfers are only part of a club's budget, you need to include wages too.

Even if you include wages, ours was still lower than Inter's that season. So your statement was still wrong. You're not willing to admit to your error, but I won't press you on it.

You have contradicted yourself saying Mourinho brought in lots of players but that he already had a winning squad.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can still have a winning squad whilst adding more players. That's exactly what happened with his Inter squad after he took over from Mancini. But I was looking at it hypothetically. I didn't say that teams will definitely not buy more players, I said there is less of an incentive to do so. Looking at the most continuously successful teams, you will find this to be the case.