Kubica Expects Return?

[cosicave]

Yes, I agree with that, ASC. The new cars are definitely more difficult to drive.

Of course, the other factor is that the older cars – although technologically well-advanced from Kubiça's previous era – are at least a little closer to it, providing a simple logic for why his performances were relatively better in them.

Having said all this, if at ANY point, he actually takes to the grid, I'll be happy to eat my words in the immediate aftermath of his rallying accident where I suggested he'd never be back on an F1 grid.

 

[SgtBhaji]

It's never likely to happen unless he has to cover a race. Lets face it, despite the injury he's well past his best with so long out of F1.

 

[cosicave]

Yes, I agree, Bhaji.

Yet since his horrific accident he has never been in better shape, nor more capable of driving an F1 car. But you're right, the time needed to get 'back' to this point has inevitably etched its mark.

 

[SgtBhaji]

It's sad because his talent was indisputable, but his opportunity has long since passed. Without the injury and with the right drive, there was potential championships there.

 

[Big Ern]

it took until FP3 for Lance and Sergei to better his time, Grosjean is making Maldonado look a safe pair of hands at the moment.
If it continues will Haas make the call

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

Williams are stuffed . They have a dog of a car , no experienced driver to feed back info , and lots of bills to pay .

Stick or twist ?

Twist imho , but who to drop ?

 

[BrightLampShade]

They have problems in so many areas of the car where do they start. It's just plain awful

 

[DHCanary]

I was listening to Craig Scarborough on the "3 legs 4 wheels podcast", who said he was reliably informed that when you correct for fuel load, tyres, etc, Kubica was definitely quicker than the race drivers in FP1.

 

[Big Ern]

Williams are stuffed . They have a dog of a car , no experienced driver to feed back info , and lots of bills to pay .

Stick or twist ?

Twist imho , but who to drop ?

Stroll's seat is safe, his dad is bankrolling Williams, Sirotkin has paid a pretty big wad to race too, I doubt Williams can afford to give either the boot and, tbh, I don't think a better driver would really make that much of a difference considering the car Williams have provided. For all the stick we give McLaren they aren't coming last with a Merc engine.

 

[DHCanary]

They have problems in so many areas of the car where do they start. It's just plain awful

The worst problem sounds like the random aero stalling of the floor. 60% of their downforce disappearing without warning. It must be terrifying to drive.

 

[ched999uk]

Stroll's seat is safe, his dad is bankrolling Williams, Sirotkin has paid a pretty big wad to race too, I doubt Williams can afford to give either the boot and, tbh, I don't think a better driver would really make that much of a difference considering the car Williams have provided. For all the stick we give McLaren they aren't coming last with a Merc engine.

I think that the question is 'if they had a good experienced driver' could they help to resolve the issue sooner? I am not saying Kubica is the perfect person for developing as his experience may be outdated.
Maybe Massa was more to the team than just a driver?

UPDATE:
Sorry for the 'just a driver' term. The drivers do a lot more than just drive. Sorry if I offended any one.

 

[El_Bando]

It shows Kubica is super serious about driving in F1 to criticize a car that he has been giving the opportunity to drive. feel bad for the regular drivers too because they are not looking very good in that car when they need to prove what they are.

 

[cosicave]

I think that the question is 'if they had a good experienced driver' could they help to resolve the issue sooner? I am not saying Kubica is the perfect person for developing as his experience may be outdated.
Maybe Massa was more to the team than just a driver?

I know what you mean, Ched, and I agree with what you're saying.

Please forgive me for a moment though. I feel duty bound to be pedantic over the unfortunate phrase, "just a driver".
Providing accurate feedback (and more, whenever possible) has always been part of every driver's remit, regardless of experience. This involves an ongoing interaction with one's race-engineer, and yes, a mutual trust/respect tends to improve over time. In turn, this 'sub-team' interaction forms a vital part of the basis of engineering goals and solutions for the team as a whole.

Back to my agreement with your comment: some drivers are certainly more adept at working positively in the above regard and clearly, experience is very much a factor. For example; to my knowledge, Massa's feedback (particularly with Rob Smedley) continued to improve throughout his F1 career. In finishing with Massa, Williams took a gamble which seemed both forward-looking and perhaps overdue – but in hindsight begins to look questionable. In my view, Williams' current race drivers with their respective race engineers are not at the same level as Massa/Smedley.

Williams' decision seems to have been to prostitute itself for what I see as a short-term 'investment plan' – for quick cash. I believe this mentality is fundamentally flawed in all walks of life. It is the very embodiment of 'quantity rather than Quality' (deliberate capital).

I'd better stop. I'm in danger of making a political statements…

 

[ched999uk]

Sorry bad turn of phrase 'just a driver'. They all do a lot more than drive. I wasn't trying to insult drivers in any way.
All drivers in F1 have come through lower formulas and so are quite experienced but F1 experience is most useful to develop F1 car.

 

[BrightLampShade]

Grosjean is having an awful time of it at the moment. Wonder if Haas may take a look at Kubica?

 

[Big Ern]

Grosjean is having an awful time of it at the moment. Wonder if Haas may take a look at Kubica?

yeah, that was the swing of my post, there was a time Grosjean looked like he could've done something in F1, but now I wonder if there weren't a few more wins in that Lotus, Kubica's time passed with his accident, but I'd say he'd still give most of the mid-pack a run for their money and be a safer pair of...erm.

 

[El_Bando]

....What if Stroll goes to HAAS?

 

[Big Ern]

....What if Stroll goes to HAAS?

That is the other risk for Williams now, the finance that Stroll brings will be attractive to most of the teams, if Williams don't improve I can see him being poached, his money could buy 1/2 a second.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

....What if Stroll goes to HAAS?

Good Point !

 

[DHCanary]

That is the other risk for Williams now, the finance that Stroll brings will be attractive to most of the teams, if Williams don't improve I can see him being poached, his money could buy 1/2 a second.

I think with the cost cap proposed for 2021, other teams could be wary about jumping into a Stroll-shaped bed right away.

The midfield battle is so competitive, Lance being 0.5 seconds slower each lap could translate into the difference in the team finishing 5th or 9th in the constructor's. Regulation stability for 2019 and 2020 should hopefully maintain this competitiveness. If Haas, Sauber, etc think they have the money to get through to 2021 - and then compete under a ~£150m cap, then I don't see why they'd go begging for Daddy Stroll's Dollars

The only exception to that is Force India, who are definitely in need of cash and pretty quickly at that. Should the driver merry-go-round snatch Ocon (or Perez) from them, I could see them speaking to the Stroll's.