Kick It Out

Gawge - it's the emphasis on football that annoys me. There isn't all this fuss about cricket for example, where there are simply no black English players. Almost every sport has some kind of theme like this - except football.
 
Gawge said:
Okay. I don't normally bother with threads like this (because what is the point?).

I fully believe that a lot of you are genuinely sincere when you say that most are not racist now, everyone is equal, stuff should be on merit etc... But this goes against what many minorities in the game ACTUALLY SAY. With the Sol Campbell thing, you don't have to agree with every point the guy makes - but so many just silence him, and laugh. Many other people in football speak out - but are silenced, e.g. in the OP campaign groups are "making a fuss".

How about we listen to people who have experience of these issues in football? Rather than getting really defensive because you not hating black people = it is impossible for there to be institutional racism.

As I say, I am somewhat sympathetic to your views. A lot of you guys fully believe that people deserve to be equal - so let's just ignore race/sexuality etc... and if anybody mentions it, they are "kicking up a fuss" or "playing the race card". But if we actually listen to the experiences of actual minorities in football, we might learn something, rather than taking the hunches of straight white males on internet forums with no such experiences, but with perhaps mildly good intentions.

I don't think I want to get too involved in this debate. I tend not to bother on this forum. But i'd just like to say that.
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As I am a female I am a minority in football. How many women have been at the upper echelon of the FA or FIFA?
 
Its got **** all to do with the colour of Sol Cambells skin if he wasn't respected enough to get the captains job.
Anybody remember Keith Alexander ?
He was the manager at Lincoln during the days when they was some nasty racist **** going around.
He never whined and bleated on about it.
He just stuck 2 fingers up to the daft ****s and got on with playing / managing / life and was respected through out the game by everybody for it.
 
PLT said:
Gawge - it's the emphasis on football that annoys me. There isn't all this fuss about cricket for example, where there are simply no black English players. Almost every sport has some kind of theme like this - except football.
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Same here, and it is football that has made more ethnic minority/foreign players richer than all other English sports put together.

Expect to be nauseated by this gravy train for another 20 years.
 
Bugs me. It's not enough alone to make every effort to avoid any potential discrimination. Organisations have to be seen to actively encourage minorities to engage, participate, be employed, get top jobs.

Crock of ****.
 
Charlie1 said:
Gawge said:
Okay. I don't normally bother with threads like this (because what is the point?).

I fully believe that a lot of you are genuinely sincere when you say that most are not racist now, everyone is equal, stuff should be on merit etc... But this goes against what many minorities in the game ACTUALLY SAY. With the Sol Campbell thing, you don't have to agree with every point the guy makes - but so many just silence him, and laugh. Many other people in football speak out - but are silenced, e.g. in the OP campaign groups are "making a fuss".

How about we listen to people who have experience of these issues in football? Rather than getting really defensive because you not hating black people = it is impossible for there to be institutional racism.

As I say, I am somewhat sympathetic to your views. A lot of you guys fully believe that people deserve to be equal - so let's just ignore race/sexuality etc... and if anybody mentions it, they are "kicking up a fuss" or "playing the race card". But if we actually listen to the experiences of actual minorities in football, we might learn something, rather than taking the hunches of straight white males on internet forums with no such experiences, but with perhaps mildly good intentions.

I don't think I want to get too involved in this debate. I tend not to bother on this forum. But i'd just like to say that.
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As I am a female I am a minority in football. How many women have been at the upper echelon of the FA or FIFA?
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If they were good enough they'd get in.

Diversity & Culture, biggest load of **** that's creeped into workplaces around the world.

I spent most of last year trying to get our D&C policy abolished. It's contradictory & creates discrimination.

"We want to recruit the best people into positions" (forget the fact they're recruiting whilst in the middle of culling 7000 people globally)
Why have statistics on how many of each gender are being employed? Surely if you want the best their gender us irrelevant.

"Half the Executive positions will be filled by women in 2016"
That's not getting the best. That's getting the best few men & the best few women. Discriminating against better candidates because of their sex.

"To make interviews fair all interview panels will be made up of 2 men & 2 women"
If you want the best candidate selected it may best to have the best equipped people involved in the selection. Of course this also indirectly suggests that an all male panel or all female panel would display discriminatory behaviour in their selection.

"Globally 51% of the workforce is female"
Well sack a few then because by your own rules that figure is too high. When taken nationally the percentage of females in the workforce is hugely disproportionate when compared to workforce figures in many countries.

Rant over, I'm back at work beginning of April, can't wait.
 
Not enough Chinese, *****lian, Eskimo, Aborigine, Kiwi, disabled, blind, deaf, non-human, dead...in the game either.

It's a gravy train. ALL ABOARD
 
Sir Cheshire Ben said:
If they were good enough they'd get in.

Diversity & Culture, biggest load of **** that's creeped into workplaces around the world.

I spent most of last year trying to get our D&C policy abolished. It's contradictory & creates discrimination.

"We want to recruit the best people into positions" (forget the fact they're recruiting whilst in the middle of culling 7000 people globally)
Why have statistics on how many of each gender are being employed? Surely if you want the best their gender us irrelevant.

"Half the Executive positions will be filled by women in 2016"
That's not getting the best. That's getting the best few men & the best few women. Discriminating against better candidates because of their sex.

"To make interviews fair all interview panels will be made up of 2 men & 2 women"
If you want the best candidate selected it may best to have the best equipped people involved in the selection. Of course this also indirectly suggests that an all male panel or all female panel would display discriminatory behaviour in their selection.

"Globally 51% of the workforce is female"
Well sack a few then because by your own rules that figure is too high. When taken nationally the percentage of females in the workforce is hugely disproportionate when compared to workforce figures in many countries.

Rant over, I'm back at work beginning of April, can't wait.
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Men have had centuries of having the upper hand in most areas of life so it will take a fair few years to get anywhere near to equaling things up yet. as much as they can be equaled up in terms of work anyway.

Hope you enjoy being back at work Ben. When I was off for 5 months on sick it was a relief to get back to normality.
 
Vocal campaign groups representing minorities are ruining all sorts of things for a lot of fans.
 
Charlie Hope you enjoy being back at work Ben. When I was off for 5 months on sick it was a relief to get back to normality.[/QUOTE said:
Thanks Charlie, was due back tomorrow but got appointments through for tests most of next week, all been put back a fortnight.

As much as their D&C is pants they're good when you're off.
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Kick it out's not the real ****e group. The society of black lawyers is the one that gets on my tits. Everythings racist blah blah blah.

Their society's ****ing racist! Imagine if we had a society of white lawyers? Yeah, if we can't have it, then its racist.
 
PLT -what the hell are you talking about, "THERE ARE NO BLACK PLAYERS IN ENGLISH CRICKET" !!! Do you watch cricket?? Devon Malcolm,Nasser Hussain,Ravi Bopara,Michael Carberry,Mark Butcher,Monty Panesar. Too name but a few. There have been black/asian players in the england cricket team for years.For gods sake it was Basil d'olivera's selection for england that started the whole boycott of South African sport
 
BlackAshCat:6232950 said:
PLT -what the hell are you talking about, "THERE ARE NO BLACK PLAYERS IN ENGLISH CRICKET" !!! Do you watch cricket?? Devon Malcolm,Nasser Hussain,Ravi Bopara,Michael Carberry,Mark Butcher,Monty Panesar. Too name but a few. There have been black/asian players in the england cricket team for years.For gods sake it was Basil d'olivera's selection for england that started the whole boycott of South African sport
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What's cricket?
 
PLT said:
Gawge - it's the emphasis on football that annoys me. There isn't all this fuss about cricket for example, where there are simply no black English players. Almost every sport has some kind of theme like this - except football.
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Sorry PLT but the "Kick it Out" campaign is specifically aimed at racism in football.I'm sure you would complain if CTWD only concerned themselves with climate change because that isn't their reason for existence.
Racism is prevalent in all walks of life and in all nations unfortunately,whether you personally believe that or not.Many of my friends are racist,and nearly all would be appalled if they ever realised this truth.In work I've been asked on at least 10 occasions "who do you think we should employ full time?"(out of the current crop of agency/part-time workers)and then hear the words "don't be ridiculous,he's a paki/******"..Then you end up having to work with a special needs case who came from the same village or area of town that the management/supervisors come from.Strangely none of them considered themselves racist in any way......................????
Moving to a sectarian region as a half English,half Irish person may not have been the best of plans,but really enforces on the mind that it's endemic in our society.You don't have to be black to be a ******,and it's ****ing hard work if you are considered one.
 
PLT said:
Gawge - it's the emphasis on football that annoys me. There isn't all this fuss about cricket for example, where there are simply no black English players. Almost every sport has some kind of theme like this - except football.
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Michael Carberry?
 
HebridesTiger said:
Sorry PLT but the "Kick it Out" campaign is specifically aimed at racism in football.I'm sure you would complain if CTWD only concerned themselves with climate change because that isn't their reason for existence.
Racism is prevalent in all walks of life and in all nations unfortunately,whether you personally believe that or not.Many of my friends are racist,and nearly all would be appalled if they ever realised this truth.In work I've been asked on at least 10 occasions "who do you think we should employ full time?"(out of the current crop of agency/part-time workers)and then hear the words "don't be ridiculous,he's a paki/******"..Then you end up having to work with a special needs case who came from the same village or area of town that the management/supervisors come from.Strangely none of them considered themselves racist in any way......................????
Moving to a sectarian region as a half English,half Irish person may not have been the best of plans,but really enforces on the mind that it's endemic in our society.You don't have to be black to be a ******,and it's ****ing hard work if you are considered one.
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You need some better friends.
 
How many black English rugby players are there? Tennis players? Darts players? Snooker players? Curling players? Caber tossers?
 
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