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chelsea - over 100 years of history said:
Not that I didn't get it, just didn't agree. In that 'B' squad above are players like Kagawa and Fellaini who have at least proven themselves outside of United and on the international stage. What exactly has Lallana done except have a few good games at a mid table premier league club? Is he going to be the one to save your season?! Behave.

Players like him and Shaw may well be top draw United level players in years to come but they aren't there yet and I thought the whole point in buying mid season was to improve the team THIS season!?!? Otherwise you might as well wait till the summer when such players will be easier to buy and at less money probably.
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Of course they would improve us this season. It's patently obvious.

Lallana comes in and plays in a position that Ryan Giggs, forty year old Ryan Giggs, has been occupying and gives competition to/replaces Tom Cleverley.

Shaw/Baines come in and give a breather too/ultimately replace Patrice Evra who is having to play every game because we've got no one else is good enough in his position.

Team improved in a flash.

Fellaini may yet prove himself good enough to move into squad A once he gets fit and has a decent run but Kagawa has had that chance and proved himself to be not up to it. When required to step up to the plate he has failed every time and makes excuses for not being able to.
 
KingEric07. said:
Some excellent points in the post from the City fan particularly the one highlighted below.

One last thing to note. I find it interesting how many people when this was announced said things like "Moyes will need a transition time" but have now decided that he should be gone in January. Transition time is a term used to denote the time it takes to sweep away the mentality of the old regime and bring in your own mentality

Personnally I haven't seen or heard to many United fans calling for Moyes head and I hope that continues. I feel he deserves at least 2 seasons to makes the sweeping changes the squad that obviously need changing. I'm not talking about signing 4 or 5 world class players but rather building a team that in world class which might contain very very world class players.

Personnally I hope he's given time.
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We hope so too Eric <whistle>

Seriously though it's crazy to sack a manager after 6 months (unless you were flirting with relegation) especially given who he has had to follow into the job. How does a guy follow Fergie and put his own mark on things in such a short space of time? It's madness to expect him to do that and the simple fact is anyone who thought another manager could come in and just carry on the good work is a mentalist. There are only a handful who might have been able to do it short term Maureen being one but he'd have started a rot that would have seen you crippled in the long run. He'd have gnawed away at the soul of the club and the football wouldn't have been any more attractive either.

Moyes might or might not get it right but the quicker you sack him the quicker you go back to being just like everybody else, he deserves time just for having the bottle to follow Fergie. Some of you lot have had it way too good over the last twenty years and need to accept it was always going to be a struggle at first once he retired (especially you UIR....you're starting to sound like a screeching old woman <ok>)

Welcome back to the real world lads.
 
Ruffmongo said:
By the way, the only person to use the term 'save our season' is you.
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Then why buy in January at all when players are difficult to get and normally come at a premium price?

The only reasons would be unforeseen injuries or to improve a team for the rest of the season. I'll say it again, players for the future like Shaw might as well wait till at least the summer. Are United really going to spend 20+ million on a back up left back in Jan? And if they do, is it really going to make THAT much difference?
 
I would never turn against any manager of our team, as booing and getting on the managers back isn't going to help the situation. Fans of clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea behave like that towards there managers, so let's not lower ourselves to there level.

It was always going to be a big ask for whoever followed SAF, so let's give him our support. After all many of our fans were calling for SAFs head all those years ago. Moyes needs time to build a side, and get the club running to how he wants it run.

People say he's taken over the champions, but in someways that's not always a good thing, as the players can become complacent and less motivated to win.

I'm still confident we can get 4th this season though, with a couple of decent signings, and the return of RVP and Rooney to come.

Aslong as we get 4th there will be no damage done, remaining a champions leave club is imperative :biggrin:
 
Paulpowersleftfoot said:
My take on it for what it's worth

City

A squad. 14
Yaya Hart Clichy Nastasic Kompany Aguero Zabaleta Kolorov Nasri Silva
Navas Negredo Fernandinho Milner

B squad. 11
Pantilimon Richards Dzeko Rodwell Garcia Boyata Lescott Demichellis Guidetti Lopes Jovetic


Utd

A squad. 10
Rooney De Gea RVP Jones Carrick Smalling Janujaz Welbeck Evans Rafael

B squad 18
Evra Ferdinand Anderson. Giggs Lindegaard Chicharito Vidic Nani; Young Fabio Cleverley Fletcher Valencia Kagawa Büttner Zaha Fellaini Bébé


The problem Utd have is an insufficient number of players in the A squad meaning every week too many B squad players have to play,hence why they are really struggling.Only need a couple of injuries to be dangerously weak and start to get picked off far too easily,especially with the premier league having no really weak teams
Whenever we play more than 2 from our B squad we are noticeably weaker,never mind the media saying we have 2 squads who are capable of challenging
With the window now open,if we find it necessary to recruit,it's imperative that only players that are of the necessary quality to go straight into the A squad should be brought in,otherwise I'd much rather we go with what we have and look again in the summer

If you look at spurs,all they did this summer was collect B squad players to replace an A squad player,it just doesn't work
I also believe it's the reason why arsenal are closing in on a decade of winning nothing,trying to pack sides with players like Gervinho,Bendtner and the like

Fortunately for Moyes,I don't believe the Utd hierarchy are stupid enough to get rid after 6 months,it was always likely to be an impossible task following on from Ferguson,even more so when you consider the paucity of the actual quality in the squad
Having to defend the title with a squad that only one or two managers in the history of the game could've secured the title with,has hardly helped matters.
I expect utd to be up and running again the season after next which makes it imperative that we recruit sensibly to keep on improving the squad
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Are you being serious about these A and B squads. How can you leave Evra Vidic (although injury prone) in the B squad. In addition to Kagawa (although he plays rubbish for you guys) and Valencia (in real poor form) and Felleini (big fat waste of money) who would probably make the A squads if they played to their abilities.

For City, i don't see how you can put James i run around and work hard Milner, Kolorov who just likes shooting cant defend, Clichy who is an absolute liability in the A squad either. They aren't top players
 
BobbyD said:
Are you being serious about these A and B squads. How can you leave Evra Vidic (although injury prone) in the B squad. In addition to Kagawa (although he plays rubbish for you guys) and Valencia (in real poor form) and Felleini (big fat waste of money) who would probably make the A squads if they played to their abilities.

For City, i don't see how you can put James i run around and work hard Milner, Kolorov who just likes shooting cant defend, Clichy who is an absolute liability in the A squad either. They aren't top players
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Honestly? You asked why they aren't classed as A squad and then describe exactly why they aren't in the same sentence? Brilliant.

As for the City players, I'll leave that up to a City fan to tell you his reasons but I for one would love to have Milner in United's squad. And it would be the A squad.
 
Ruffmongo said:
Honestly? You asked why they aren't classed as A squad and then describe exactly why they aren't in the same sentence? Brilliant.

As for the City players, I'll leave that up to a City fan to tell you his reasons but I for one would love to have Milner in United's squad. And it would be the A squad.
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<laugh>

I would agree though that both Evra and Valencia would be included as part of my United 'A' squad.
 
Ruffmongo said:
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Ok fair enough. But I would think a club like United would be setting the bar a little higher, especially given the current on field problems. You were courting the likes of Fabregas and Lewandowski in the summer; who would definitely improve you. Lellana and a left back? Not convinced.
 
If you go back I said for now. As players like Fabregas and Lewandowski are very unlikely to be available in January.

THEN we go for players of that ilk in summer.

I'm just trying to be realistic.
 
Milner would be a useful squad player for any top side, but he's not a top top player. He's handy to bring on as a sub for a more luxury winger, when your winning a tight game and you need a player who's gonna track back and help you defend a lead:biggrin:
 
BobbyD said:
Are you being serious about these A and B squads. How can you leave Evra Vidic (although injury prone) in the B squad. In addition to Kagawa (although he plays rubbish for you guys) and Valencia (in real poor form) and Felleini (big fat waste of money) who would probably make the A squads if they played to their abilities.

For City, i don't see how you can put James i run around and work hard Milner, Kolorov who just likes shooting cant defend, Clichy who is an absolute liability in the A squad either. They aren't top players
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A squad for me is whoever is picked can keep up to the level of performance,Milner never lets us down whether he starts or comes on for 10 mins
From what ive seen of evra & vidic,they are former top class players who are on the downward spiral and while you may get a good performance out of them,they are a weakness

Just my thoughts on it though
 
So looks like Coentrao seems likely this window. A good start. LB sorted and an option for central midfield when needed.

Its a start ( assuming it goes through ).
 
UnitedinRed said:
So looks like Coentrao seems likely this window. A good start. LB sorted and an option for central midfield when needed.

Its a start ( assuming it goes through ).
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What makes you think it's going through. I haven't heard any thing confirming that there's even an interest in it happening so far ?
 
KingEric07. said:
What makes you think it's going through. I haven't heard any thing confirming that there's even an interest in it happening so far ?
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A fairly reliable journo (ducker) who certainly has links to the club has said we have agreed personal terms with him ( I reckon this was done in the summer or shortly after ). Convincing Madrid to accept the offer is next but it seems they are going in for a LB which adds flames to the fire.

Theres definite interest though as confirmed in the summer. I doubt we just gave up on him. Of course nothings confirmed til hes scored against the scousers.
 
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