Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

£4,000,000 is that his secret plan ... "look I am doing something we have just given Italy £4m to stop them coming here!"

 

he wont because he doesnt actually know he has to deal with what? is it dealing with a border guard "super" upgrade or slipping £4m to Italy or robbing pensioners or why no start on GBE or why give out 22% payrises ... I suppose he could send us pestilence or storms and floods?

 

That’s us ‘taking back control’ JGF.
Giving the EU boatloads of money to weakly police our borders, handing them complete control of goods and people going into Northern Ireland and Gibraltar.
You should celebrate it. It’s what you Brexiteers wanted.

 

Junior doctors [ 60,000 ] are such [ for after uni etc ] around x to 9 years! see note *1

Junior doctors in England have accepted the government’s offer of a 22% pay rise over two years, ending their long-running dispute. .... bearing in mind that inflation was a just a 6 month's blip and currently 2% very OTT

Members of the British Medical Association backed the deal with 66% voting in favour. Nearly 46,000 took part in the online ballot.

It brings to an end the 18-month dispute, which saw junior doctors take part in 11 separate strikes. ........ some 3 days or so plus support / encouragement from Labour = 30 days of appointments lost note 2*

But the BMA warned it expected more above-inflation pay rises in future years or there would be "consequences". ... Blackmail?

The deal increases the starting salary for a junior doctor from £29,384 in 2022-23 to £36,616 a year in basic pay. Those at the top end of the pay scale earn more than £70,000. .....

But junior doctors typically make 25% to 30% more on top in extra payments for things like additional work and unsocial hours. ..... will increase as basic is now higher

The offer was made by Health Secretary Wes Streeting in late July – just weeks after Labour won the election. Was in the premeditated stage [pre GE ! ] that could sort ASAP

He said he was “pleased” it had been accepted, ending the “most devastating dispute in the health service’s history”. ... WELL ENGINEERED to maximise damage?

“This marks the necessary first step in our mission to cut waiting lists, reform the broken health service, and make it fit for the future," Streeting added.


see note *1 ..
Junior doctors are qualified doctors in clinical training.
They have completed a medical degree [ 4-5 years uni ] and can have up to nine years' of working experience as a hospital doctor, depending on their specialty, or up to five years working and gaining experience to become a general practitioner (GP). All junior doctors work under the supervisor of a senior doctor.
see note *2..
strikes were between other staffing categories designed to have most affect on the general working of the NHS! ?

note 3
The additional cost to the public purse is / has got to be in excess of £700,000.000 the wage bill [ min based on all getting basic ] for junior doctors starts at around [ plus the 25+% addons ] £3,000,000,000

 

Further notes and precis points...........

In February 2024, there were 140,700 doctors, 377,600 nursing staff (including midwives and health visitors) and 39,800 managers in the NHS out of a total workforce of 1.34 million (all figures are full-time equivalent, excluding general practice staff). Between 2011 and 2024, the number of doctors, nurses and managers rose (doctors increased by 45%, nurses by 26% and managers by 18%). As of March 2024, NHS vacancy statistics estimate that there are 100,700 vacancies in the NHS (including 8,800 medical professionals and 31,300 nursing staff). This includes vacancies in hospitals and in the community. However, these numbers are only estimates, as there is not yet a standardised method for reporting NHS vacancies.

The Covid-19 pandemic completely changed the activity profile for the NHS. Hospital patients needed more intensive care – there were nearly 2,000 more critical care beds in acute trusts at the peak of demand in January 2021 compared with the end of 2020. Hospitals cancelled routine procedures to ensure Covid-19 patients could be treated; this meant that the backlog of patients waiting for treatment grew by 45% between March 2020 and March 2022. Infection prevention controls, such as separating Covid-19 positive patients from negative patients, also limited hospital activity levels

Furthermore, while pressure on emergency services from Covid-19 patients has eased, waiting times for ambulance and A&E services were longer in May 2024 than in any month during the peak of the pandemic in 2020/21. ...
note .... Result of Ambulance strikes supported and encouraged by Labour MP's, now come back to bite them as they have to find more money for over inflation deals and longer waiting times!

 

So what happens next ?
When this union, then the next and so on asks for their annual pay increase. Each union will cite ASLEF and the doctor's union wanting at least parity.

Starmer and co in their naivety have made a rod for their own back.

And who will pay and suffer ?
We will.

 

You are responsible for your own posts. You are making statements frequently while avoiding facts. You have consistently been asked a question regarding your own statements centering on the current governments immigration policy.

The previous governments have failed to deal with immigration. Both governments have committed to lowering both legal and illegal levels of immigration and failed to do do.

The current Labour government by giving amnesty to huge numbers of illegals to apply for asylum comes at huge costs financially, and this is the opposite of a deterrent.

I do not understand your point about unskilled illegal immigration. The Country does not need a unskilled workforce being sourced from illegality.

We have to not only stop the boats, but also sort out the backlog, so we can process people quickly. The cost of not sorting out the backlog is enormous ... All immigration has to be controlled. The extremist mass migration we have has huge costs economically and culturally, we have a Country that has no long term strategy to accommodate what is occurring.

 

on the 17th April 2024 the number of illegal boat people on the known figures landing is 10,000 [ 95 in last 2 days, 1188 in last 4 days ] that is a weekly cost of Circa £7,000,000 annual cost of £364,000,000, SO the annual cost this years arrivals = the cost saved by robbing the pensioners.
The best we can hope for is that we enter a very bad few months of weather extremely windy and torrential rain storms in the ENGLISH CHANNEL as this level of encouraged crossings by Yvette " you havent seen anything yet " ... is going a long way to sinking the good ship United Kingdom!!!


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ALL TRUE CLIFTON

 

While rents rose sharply, house prices went up in line with general prices at a pace of 2.2% in the twelve months to July.

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AN 8 YEAR VIEW [ just a tad higher this month ] of inflation, the spike starting in late 2021 ended in early 2024 and as has been stateed on some media site lasted 15 -18 months... sadly the cause of what we now have as a "dictator ship" without any plans or realistic ideas to sort the mess!!!!! ?????????

 

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I will try to explain. We have been allowing in large numbers of legal immigrants for years. That’s something that the Tories have been saying they will bring down, it’s been in their manifesto”s since 2010, but they’ve failed to achieve it.

Then there is the ilegal ones, mostly by small boats, these include both immigrants and asylum seekers. The cost of not processing these quickl is high, and also could add to the numbers, because the illegals are aware their cases will take years, and in the meantime they’ll be relatively well looked after and are likely to be successful in the end.

We need to find a way to clear up the backlog, but also a way to deal with new arrivals quickly.

If we can deal with new arrival’s quickly and return any that fail, that would be less costly because we won’t have to pay for their upkeep whilst they are waiting to be processed, it could also act as a deterrent if they know that unless they have a valid case they are less likely to be successful.

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I’m also unclear what you think should be done.

I disagree that Rwanda would have worked, as despite what others say it wasn’t legal, cost a heck of a lot, and as of yet no one had been sent there, other than a few that went voluntarily.

If it had worked and was a proven deterrent i would have held my hands up and admitted so, I also think if it was likely to have been close to working Sunak would have held out for as long as possible before going to the country as it may well have swung the result in their favour.

 

We have been allowing in huge numbers, historically unprecedented numbers for decades.

This is Labours manifesto from 2005. Layout 1 (deryn.co.uk)

"We will establish a points system for those seeking to migrate here. More skills mean more points and more chance of being allowed to come here". And "We will ensure that only skilled workers are allowed to settle long-term in the UK, with English language tests for everyone who wants to stay permanently and an end to chain migration". And "By the end of 2005, our aim is for removals of failed asylum seekers to exceed new unfounded claims". The governments manifesto in 2005 is lie after lie regarding immigration. They delivered none of it.

This started with Labour and continued with the Tories. Mass immigration is now on steroids.

If we can deal with new arrival’s quickly and return any that fail ... Labour can't. The UK is struggling to deport even monsters like Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai.

Labour is encouraging via amnesties to continue the status quo. Labour has no active deterrent.

 

What do you think should be done?

 

of the numbers arriving this year circa 11,000 are able bodied single men between 20 & 39 mostly with with no skills ! And most arrivals have had plenty money to pay for their way...eat get clothed phone home on I phones etc up to £4000 for passage ................. ! £ 1000 a boat one of 60 has paid collectively around £50-60,000! cant pay then go into black market to pay it off .... taking away jobs from real working people!

 

The opposite of the Labour party. Seriously we cannot support the population we have now. We have not absorbed the ever increasing record numbers of migrants we have taken in over decades. Labour should freeze all non essential immigration. Introduce skills based immigration. Leave the EHRC.

 

Great in theory, but it won't happen, the same as it didn't happen under the Tories.
Taking care of Immigrants seems to matter more to successive Governments than British people who work and pay their taxes.

 

whats going to happen is next nothing and a serious problem gets handed down the decades. whose it going to hurt the most people at the bottom not the ones causing this. whats the uk going to be like in twenty years?? it makes you angry thinking about whats going on.

 

That’s why millions of people are turning to Reform as they seem to be the only party willing to debate it, let alone actually try to stop it
Millions more will vote Reform next time to make sure the population are listened to rather than the London elite doing nothing about it.
Trouble is that it’s already too late, Pandoras box has been opened and can't be shut.
The country is beyond flat broke and we are doomed to be in vast amounts of more unnecessary debt because of the immigration situation.
And yet, Labour want to borrow another £20bn.
Maybe if they didn't pay off the Train Drivers, Junior Doctors etc, and started deporting illegals and reducing the obscene hospitality and welfare bill, they wouldn't need to borrow, and waste yet more money.
And people of the UK are still not being listened to after the Summer riots.
Starmer called it all far right thuggery and locked every offender, no matter how petty the crime, up.

He's already way out of his depth and he and this Government are oblivious to the real and ongoing rage of the people over the injustices going on everywhere, from Policing, to immigration and to the justice system.

After 14 years of governing, the Tories had been awful over a lot of things.

And yet, Labour are worse after just 2 months in charge.

 

2 months is too early to judge. Obviously no one could clear up 14 years of mismanagement that quickly - we are in a mess.

I disagree about Reform, when pushed they don’t have any answers or policies either, Not serious thought out ones. Time will tell, but I think they’ll disappear without a trace. We’ll see.