Off Topic JULY 4th 2024 6 months JAN 2025 ..chaos+ more fibs +roughshod attitudes+backtracking +++ C R A S H++

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Cliftonville said:
Change that the Country is not sustaining.
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an increase in the population over 10 years needs a FEW MORE cities like Manchester Bristol Liverpool Birmingham Glasgow and Edinburgh to accomodate...

in perspective Bristol is around 50 sq miles with a population of <500,000 so need 20 ? cities like that to accomodate 10,000,000 !
 
AshtonRed said:
I don’t agree that they are all bad, but that’s not the point. The ones that disappear into the black economy don’t choose to do so, they are being exploited.
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they disapear into the black economy of their own choosing ... although a very small percent are trafficked to be usually sex workers / criminals ... when their visa is up/ stroke claim being refused they melt away
the % is likely only about 0.01% thata about 1 in 10,000


Redprintt said:
Hang on Ashton, how can illegal immigrants be victims ?
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bet you dont get an answer!
 
realred1952 said:
far from it you have actually got the opposite end of the stick .....if we did not have 100,o00 boat people even just living in 1/3 of the houses necessary to house them it would free up 30000 houses.. but that is to simple because most are in hotels or similar and cost circa £90 a room. The needed migrants all live in "regular accomodation WHICH THEY PAY FOR! as they have full time jobs and are part of the community.
dont just think boat people, as they may be the total of them that is the bit of the iceberg under the water, above water is the lorry passengers and ferry people and seekers from visitors passports and those on bigger boats that drop them just offshore.On our estate there is at least 4 houses in the rental area that have asylum seekers! 3 times in a past [ year] a "visit" has arrested about a dozen in total that have appeared from nowhere! "
in one tiny area thats 3 houses that a large number of "british on the waiting list" have been deprived of a house .. council has to provide!!! ...human rights!!!!!
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Are you saying the numbers of illegal immigrants are higher than legal ones?, I’m pretty sure most people don’t believe that.

If we can process the illegals and separate the legitimate from the others, then the legitimate can also get jobs, pay taxes and become valuable members of society. What’s not to like. Whilst we need to try to find a way to prevent them getting here the ones already here still have to be dealt with.
 
AshtonRed said:
Are you saying the numbers of illegal immigrants are higher than legal ones?, I’m pretty sure most people don’t believe that.
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they are illegal so should not be here so yes .......... a very high % of the migrants legally working here get to put in for British citizenship .. learn English and become part of us .. also a high % of legals come to work for some of the time then go home
 
Redprintt said:
Hang on Ashton, how can illegal immigrants be victims ?
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If you’re happy with people being used in the sex industry against their will, or as slaves in car washes etc, then no they can’t be.

They may have arrived via illegal routes, but they are still human beings. Or maybe we should find them and have public hangings?

What a daft question
 
AshtonRed said:
Are you saying the numbers of illegal immigrants are higher than legal ones?, I’m pretty sure most people don’t believe that.

If we can process the illegals and separate the legitimate from the others, then the legitimate can also get jobs, pay taxes and become valuable members of society. What’s not to like. Whilst we need to try to find a way to prevent them getting here the ones already here still have to be dealt with.
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Could you answer this regarding Labours immigration policy.

What are the costs of Labour granting amnesty to nearly 100,000 illegal migrants? How does this deter further illegal immigrants crossing the channel from the safety of France?

Labour has stated that there is no need for unskilled immigration into the UK frequently. Are these illegal immigrants entering the Country skilled?
 
Cliftonville said:
Could you answer this regarding Labours immigration policy.

What are the costs of Labour granting amnesty to nearly 100,000 illegal migrants? How does this deter further illegal immigrants crossing the channel from the safety of France?

Labour has stated that there is no need for unskilled immigration into the UK frequently. Are these illegal immigrants entering the Country skilled?
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I’m not responsible for making the decision to grant amnesty to these people, I suggest you ask these questions to those that allowed the problem to develop in the first place.

However these people are here now , they are here largely due to the failure of the last government to put measures in place to either stop them coming, or to process them once they arrived. Something has to be done with them, what do you suggest?

The previous government failed to deal with the problem, not only stopping them coming, but failing to process them once they’ve arrived. I’m happy to at least give this government time to resolve the situation before passing judgement. At least if we can deal with the backlog it’ll mean we can process new arrivals quicker, which may help discouraging so many arriving.

As for unskilled immigration, obviously if you don’t process arrivals quickly they can come by that route, which you have no control over, again all the more reason to speed up the process.

We have to not only stop the boats, but also sort out the backlog, so we can process people quickly. The cost of not sorting out the backlog is enormous
 
Cliftonville said:
............... Ashton, Could you answer this regarding Labours immigration policy.

What are the costs of Labour granting amnesty to nearly 100,000 illegal migrants? How does this deter further illegal immigrants crossing the channel from the safety of France?
Labour has stated that there is no need for unskilled immigration into the UK frequently. Are these illegal immigrants entering the Country skilled?
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Ashton didnt put a figure on 100,000 amnesty but likely to be circa £1,000.000.000,000 bearing in mind the number of those awaiting processing is in excess of 150,000 and the increasing daily numbers , as the means to make the uk unviable was removed and the border force which was labour's answer to stopping them is non existant........
YOU CAN SEE WHY THE PENSIONERS being robbed was part of it, besides trying to make the .GOV guilty of the £22bn black hole [ REALITY IT IS ONLY £13BN AT MOST ] .. it blindsides the population into the major problems they have illegal immigration [ is just one ] . now zoooming past last years figures and potentially going to be a massive rise in our taxes they are going to need to fill .....

the daily cost at the moment is £15,000,000 weekly cost at the moment is circa + £105,000,000 1 month is therefore ££450,000.000 and a quarter [ next 3 month's ] is paid for by this years winter heating fuel allowance being robbed from the pensioners
 
Ashton

AshtonRed said:
but also sort out the backlog, so we can process people quickly. The cost of not sorting out the backlog is enormous
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the problem is pre July 4th the backlog was being whittled down slowly. However by encouraging a massive change in the UK IS NOT A WELCOME PLACE by offering 70-100,000 free places the balance of whittling down was shot down and the staff doing the processing are diverted to an ever increasing number!? and need to simply process the ones arriving to put them in the que.

I think from memory toward end of 2023 there was about 140 -150.000 in the que ... since then another 40,000 has joined it?
 
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Despite the lack of growth in July, Liz McKeown, director of economic statistics at the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said "longer term strength in the services sector meant there was growth over the last three months as a whole".

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2 month's of tory and 1 of Labour ... OH ooops LABOUR'S MONTH DIDNT GROW!
 
realred1952 said:
Ashton didnt put a figure on 100,000 amnesty but likely to be circa £1,000.000.000,000 bearing in mind the number of those awaiting processing is in excess of 150,000 and the increasing daily numbers , as the means to make the uk unviable was removed and the border force which was labour's answer to stopping them is non existant........
YOU CAN SEE WHY THE PENSIONERS being robbed was part of it, besides trying to make the .GOV guilty of the £22bn black hole [ REALITY IT IS ONLY £13BN AT MOST ] .. it blindsides the population into the major problems they have illegal immigration [ is just one ] . now zoooming past last years figures and potentially going to be a massive rise in our taxes they are going to need to fill .....

the daily cost at the moment is £15,000,000 weekly cost at the moment is circa + £105,000,000 1 month is therefore ££450,000.000 and a quarter [ next 3 month's ] is paid for by this years winter heating fuel allowance being robbed from the pensioners
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I will ask a question now, who was it that allowed the backlog in the first place?. It’s a straight forward question, a one word answer will suffice .
 
these are the known boat crossing figures for the past 12 month's
In May the tory party started to publish the figures of "purported" successes in stopping sailings
However these "stopped individuals just rejoined the que?"
So crossing not really stopped just averted!
This chart is from the .gov site I have gone back over 12 month's. [ actually looking at chart going back to 2018 some interesting spikes and troughs ] from May 2024 after the .GOV paid the French and reset the patrols and joined the gang pursuance in stronger detail they started publishing their successes.

You can determine by the numbers, [of ] smaller boats are being stopped [ take June ave of 53 per boat sailed stopped is 38, take off the biggest 3 boats stopped and the ave drops quite a bit! ] ALL THESE PEOPLE STOPPED will of course keep trying!
WHILST NOT STOPPING THE CROSSINGS it was having an effect! AVERAGE the Labours 9 weeks at 995 v other 43 weeks == 510

10/09/2023 2017 36 0 - -
17/09/2023 893 18 0 - -
24/09/2023 0 0 0 - - ............. total for month = 2910 in 54 boats
01/10/2023 862 15 0 - -
08/10/2023 690 15 0 - -
15/10/2023 383 7 0 - -
22/10/2023 185 6 0 - -
29/10/2023 489 9 0 - -............. total for month = 2232 in 52 boats
05/11/2023 94 2 0 - -
12/11/2023 615 12 0 - -
19/11/2023 356 7 0 - -
26/11/2023 402 9 0 - -............. total for month = 1373 in 30 boats
03/12/2023 1018 20 0 - -
10/12/2023 0 0 0 - -
17/12/2023 347 8 0 - -
24/12/2023 0 0 0 - -
31/12/2023 0 0 0 - -............. total for month = 1365 in 28 boats
07/01/2024 0 0 0 - -
14/01/2024 263 7 0 - -
21/01/2024 358 8 0 - -
28/01/2024 436 8 0 - -............. total for month = 1057 in 23 boats
04/02/2024 278 6 0 - -
11/02/2024 218 5 0 - -
18/02/2024 163 4 0 - -
25/02/2024 290 5 0 - -............. total for month =949 in 20 boats
03/03/2024 576 13 0 - -
10/03/2024 824 16 0 - -
17/03/2024 62 1 0 - -
24/03/2024 838 18 0 - -
31/03/2024 1129 23 0 - -............. total for month = 3429 in 70 boats
07/04/2024 0 0 0 - -
14/04/2024 830 17 0 - -
21/04/2024 0 0 0 - -
28/04/2024 902 17 0 - -................. total for month = 1762 in 34 boats
05/05/2024 1409 28 0 849 30
12/05/2024 879 17 0 484 19
19/05/2024 419 10 0 514 18
26/05/2024 574 11 0 214 7-................. total for month = 3281 in 66 boats stopped 2061 / 74
02/06/2024 0 0 0 50 1
09/06/2024 799 15 0 765 18
16/06/2024 184 5 0 217 4
23/06/2024 1470 24 0 371 10
30/06/2024 588 12 0 474 14-................. total for month = 3556 in 67 boats stopped / boats = 1832/ 47

07/07/2024 85 2 0 80 4
14/07/2024 758 12 0 759 26
21/07/2024 1500 27 0 1007 33
28/07/2024 625 10 0 359 21-................. total for month = 2968 in 51 boats stopped / boats = 2205 / 84
04/08/2024 713 13 0 758 27
11/08/2024 1172 20 0 829 29
18/08/2024 746 15 0 952 25
25/08/2024 206 3 0 363 7-................. total for month = 2837 in 48 boats stopped / boats = 2902 / 88
01/09/2024 1758 31 0 1524 47
08/09/2024 1388............ dont have boat totals ........ published arrivals in 12 months is 30, 865



note previous 3 months to above
04/06/2023 0 0 0
11/06/2023 703 14 0
18/06/2023 2159 43 0
25/06/2023 806 18 0
02/07/2023 155 3 0
09/07/2023 1339 25 0
16/07/2023 428 8 0
23/07/2023 1334 26 0
30/07/2023 198 4 0
06/08/2023 339 7 0
13/08/2023 1608 30 0
20/08/2023 1278 23 0
27/08/2023 1844 37 0
 
Interestingly Rachel Reeves receives an annual salary of £163,000.

She OKs a £10,000 increase for hard up 4day week Train Drivers.
Reeves has claimed £3,700 in the last 5 years for, would you believe, heating allowance.

And cuts the winter fuel payment for may thousands of pensioners.

Welcome to the Labour government's priorities.
 
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AshtonRed said:
Wrong again!, making a habit of it !!
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NO consistently based compared to the "black hole " Labour" left in 2010 the £22bn is peanuts............. and the boat people WELL in 14 years Labour never had a plan to deal with them ... now they have the job .. but no clue what to do as rather take £1.5bn from pensioners to deflect the real problems they have , and bear in mind £9bn of that £22bn was yet to be raised before April 2025 with the trending benefit of a dropping inflation rate dropping interest rate a growing economy and more income tax being raised through the higher pay rates established in the past 12 month's ...

Downside is whilst the deterrent was there fewer crossed .. so less needing to be spent.. Labour has realised that the boat people is costing £millions extra every week to what it was or was budgeted for you do realise we could have as many as 200,000 needing accomodation phones pocket money food besides an unpaid drain on our NHS that is likely to be around £8,320,000,000 plus NHS costs!

then there is the catch 22 / chicken and egg if they give just 10,000 a ticket to stay .. where do they live and pretty much all will be then be claimants needing a house / flat/ rent plus usual amonts unemployed get .. with no jobs and little money likely add to homeless or poverty stricken .. enter blackmarket .... do real people out of work and fat cat dubious employers ...its an evil circle they have woven themselves

GREAT NEWS about the building new homes that will start next year as the tory build for 2024 is already looking good for the near future .. and the energy company that is going to reduce our energy bills thats doing fine probably still a few notes on back of postage stamp ....

extra tax from ASLEF 's will likely pay for 7500 of the near 10,000 boat people landed since July 4th ....... [ thats just the ones they publish mind you! ]
 
Redprintt said:
She OKs a £10,000 increase for hard up 4day week Train Drivers.
Reeves has claimed £3,700 in the last 5 years for, would you believe, heating allowance.

And cuts the winter fuel payment for may thousands of pensioners.
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a real rattlesnake then .......... how can just heating be £740 per year you lived in a council house and had rented heated accomodation [ shared! ] as well
 
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