Here’s a radical thought
If we didn’t have immigration at record levels for the last 10 -20 years, then there would be sufficient housing and the green Belt wouldn’t be under threat of building on it.
We need a lot less people not more houses !
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If we didn’t have immigration at record levels for the last 10 -20 years, then there would be sufficient housing and the green Belt wouldn’t be under threat of building on it.
We need a lot less people not more houses !
I've been saying this for years.
Just imagine what life would be like without wonderful diversification and immigration.
It would be a joy to drive a car again.
Doctor's appointments would be easy, you never know Doctors would even make house calls.
Dentists might be in abundance and free.
Hospitals might become clean...... MRSA was never heard of.
You could ring the local Police Station, you would see a 'Bobby' every day.
Now the Police won't even attend 'break ins'.
We could afford a deposit to but a house.
ETC ETC ETC
Angelic, the above seems impossible.
It can happen....my generation lived through these times.
Immigration we're told is a great benefit.
REALLY ?
correct ... go back 20 -25 years ago and schools were closing because the population was stable. in the decade or so before this schools were being built and improved so plenty spaces .... therefore plenty of houses! late 70's early 80's I bought my 5 bed house here on a single persons wages then got married [ again!] and schools were a choice of 3 for our daughter to start at. 1 got closed down about 11 years later. as number of children in early 90's was low!
They include changing the rules so asylum seekers facing deportation will lose benefits, and resuming the deportation of convicted Afghan criminals to their home country for the first time since the Taliban returned to power in 2021.
maybe we should not pay benefits ...after all they have money because they have travelled through x number of countries and to get benefits they must register .. so found a safe country! ....oh hang on, we are the end of the line so thats why all these previous countries let them through!
Apparently some of these overloaded boats refuse a tow or help until in our waters so they have to land here! they are not forced to get a tow as if they capsize then they might drown .............
WE SHOULD HAVE SHIPS IN THE CHANNEL TO TAKE THEM ON BOARD AND THEN TAKE THEM BACK TO FRANCE ... a safe country as the "law says"
maybe we should not pay benefits ...after all they have money because they have travelled through x number of countries and to get benefits they must register .. so found a safe country! ....oh hang on, we are the end of the line so thats why all these previous countries let them through!
Apparently some of these overloaded boats refuse a tow or help until in our waters so they have to land here! they are not forced to get a tow as if they capsize then they might drown .............
WE SHOULD HAVE SHIPS IN THE CHANNEL TO TAKE THEM ON BOARD AND THEN TAKE THEM BACK TO FRANCE ... a safe country as the "law says"
today they not only vote to screw the pensioners BUT also release 5500 prisoners who havent even done their minimum term
Yep, welcome to Starmers Britain 2024 where you can scream for violence against UK citizens without fear of reprisals, but where posting something on social media will get you a jail sentence.
Thank heavens this will only be a 1 term government. That's if it even gets to 5 years
Kamikaze wont give up a single day in fact might even go a month or 2 after it
Problem is though some of on here might not live to see the day......................
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WE SHOULD HAVE SHIPS IN THE CHANNEL TO TAKE THEM ON BOARD AND THEN TAKE THEM BACK TO FRANCE ... a safe country as the "law says"[/QUOTE]
To achieve this you’d need the cooperation of the French…. Trying to force it on them wouldn’t work.
I know you’re aware the % of illegal immigration is minute compared to legal immigration, obviously it needs dealing with urgently, but it won’t deal with the numbers, which many on here are concerned with, despite the fact that much of National Health Service for example would grind to a halt without our immigrants.
WE SHOULD HAVE SHIPS IN THE CHANNEL TO TAKE THEM ON BOARD AND THEN TAKE THEM BACK TO FRANCE ... a safe country as the "law says"[/QUOTE]
To achieve this you’d need the cooperation of the French…. Trying to force it on them wouldn’t work.
I know you’re aware the % of illegal immigration is minute compared to legal immigration, obviously it needs dealing with urgently, but it won’t deal with the numbers, which many on here are concerned with, despite the fact that much of National Health Service for example would grind to a halt without our immigrants.
As is his right, we live in a democracy, and like it or not he’s earned that right. You are unhappy with his election, as many were with the previous lot, and like they had to put up with them, now it’s your turn.
At least in a democracy we’ll all get the opportunity to get rid of him if we are dissatisfied with him when his term ends.
Everybody on here knows we need skilled Doctors, Nurses, Dentists etc, and a large proportion of those are people who have come here either as first, second or third generation immigrants. Not one of us would have any issue with it whatsoever.
But it's a big step from coming to the UK to practice medicine, earn a good salary, legally, and contribute to UK Taxation and National Insurance coffers, as opposed to those coming here on a dinghy, or in the back of a lorry, to either try and game the system to try to claim asylum for purely fraudulent economic reasons, or due to ridiculously lax security procedures on our various Governments part, which allows many of these people to just disappear into the black economy and work in a car wash, nail bar, or a kebab shop.
Just as bad if not worse, is to allow them all to stay regardless just to clear the backlog.
When David Blunkett was Home Secretary, he apparently used to oversee the deportation of thousands of illegals every year, and we didn't have a problem with doing so, as it was never allowed to become the major issue facing the UK today, like it is now.
So why cant any recent UK Government do it now just like he did ?
What's changed ? The appeals process ?
The Germans have finally seen the light and after many murders and assaults by IS sympathisers and radicals who were openly invited and not security checked (sound familiar?) by Merkle's mob, they are finally shutting all of their borders in direct dissent against the EU/Schengen agreement. But innocent people have already died, so it's too late in a sad way.
Again, why can't we do the same ? We are supposed to be a sovereign nation now.
But it's a big step from coming to the UK to practice medicine, earn a good salary, legally, and contribute to UK Taxation and National Insurance coffers, as opposed to those coming here on a dinghy, or in the back of a lorry, to either try and game the system to try to claim asylum for purely fraudulent economic reasons, or due to ridiculously lax security procedures on our various Governments part, which allows many of these people to just disappear into the black economy and work in a car wash, nail bar, or a kebab shop.
Just as bad if not worse, is to allow them all to stay regardless just to clear the backlog.
When David Blunkett was Home Secretary, he apparently used to oversee the deportation of thousands of illegals every year, and we didn't have a problem with doing so, as it was never allowed to become the major issue facing the UK today, like it is now.
So why cant any recent UK Government do it now just like he did ?
What's changed ? The appeals process ?
The Germans have finally seen the light and after many murders and assaults by IS sympathisers and radicals who were openly invited and not security checked (sound familiar?) by Merkle's mob, they are finally shutting all of their borders in direct dissent against the EU/Schengen agreement. But innocent people have already died, so it's too late in a sad way.
Again, why can't we do the same ? We are supposed to be a sovereign nation now.
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thats like chalk and cheese!
the legal immigrants [ wrongly categorized, they are migrant workers welcomed into our communities ] they do do not cost the tax payer money.
there are sites/articles that break down the illegals worth the pro's and con's of.
WE ARE PAYING OUT IN EXCESS OF / CIRCA ... £4,000,000,000 pa for illegals .... so Kamikaze and Rattlesnake want to rob the pensioners of £1,500,000,000
1,500,000,000
___________ = 32% of the pensioners goes to funding people who will be in warm hotels with free food and pocket money plus phones to phone home ..... really is a fair deal!
4,000,000,000
Of course it’s like chalk and cheese that my point. The argument that suggests all these immigrants are clogging up waiting lists houses etc, aren’t a result of illegals as their numbers are so small. Thank you, you’ve backed up my argument.
The numbers of illegal immigrants in the UK are not small. Its a million (?) plus. Net migration is at record levels, and over decades is at unprecedented historical levels. The UK has never seen this amount of immigration and change. Change that the Country is not sustaining.
Totally agree illegal immigrants should be stopped. I don’t agree that they are all bad, but that’s not the point. The ones that disappear into the black economy don’t choose to do so, they are being exploited. It’s the traffickers we should be blaming, not the victims.
Indeed it’s not the point but there are many innocent British families who have seen loved ones murdered or injured by people who should not be here
The deaths and injuries should be on the conscience of everyone in power over the last 10 years
We urgently need to know who is coming in and check them for terror or criminal records before we let them wander around at will
It’s simply accidents waiting to happen until it’s properly stopped
The traffickers are the lowest of the low and I still don’t believe between national police forces and the likes of Interpol thee they can’t break their model permanently
Totally agree, all the more reason that we should, as a matter of urgency, be setting up systems, and investing in dealing with the backlog. A backlog that shouldn’t have been allowed build up in the first place, and is totally down to the last government. I will judge the present government on results, and if they fail will be the first to say so.
far from it you have actually got the opposite end of the stick .....if we did not have 100,o00 boat people even just living in 1/3 of the houses necessary to house them it would free up 30000 houses.. but that is to simple because most are in hotels or similar and cost circa £90 a room. The needed migrants all live in "regular accomodation WHICH THEY PAY FOR! as they have full time jobs and are part of the community.
dont just think boat people, as they may be the total of them that is the bit of the iceberg under the water, above water is the lorry passengers and ferry people and seekers from visitors passports and those on bigger boats that drop them just offshore.On our estate there is at least 4 houses in the rental area that have asylum seekers! 3 times in a past [ year] a "visit" has arrested about a dozen in total that have appeared from nowhere! "
in one tiny area thats 3 houses that a large number of "british on the waiting list" have been deprived of a house .. council has to provide!!! ...human rights!!!!!
That is incorrect. BBC NEWS | Politics | Blair sets asylum removal target
The prime minister's target states that by the end of 2005, the monthly rate of removals must exceed the number of applicants whose claims are unfounded.
From next week it will be a criminal offence to deliberately destroy travel documents in an attempt to stay in the UK.
This did not happen
The Labour manifesto for 2005 is a work of fiction regarding immigration - Layout 1 (deryn.co.uk) Its undelivered lie after lie.
The Tories continued Labours deceit, and some more. The two parties have been lying to the electorate regarding immigration for decades.