JT not guilty!

[District Line]

How many are there? 3? 4? I know my wife's stepfather quit going to Chelsea years ago because he couldn't stand all the anti-semitic stuff he heard there. Something of a shame given that he'd supported Chelsea loyally since the mid 50s.

You clearly aren't clued up on Chelsea, although I wouldn't expect you to. Chelsea's black fanbase in the UK is only behind Arsenal and Spurs. In the world we comfortably have the largest black fanbase.

The anti-Semitic stuff is disgusting but it's died down. Still a problem but not anywhere near on he same scale as 10-20 years ago

 

[loftboy]

Next your be telling me that JT just repeated what he thought AF said.

 

[Drogs]

Next your be telling me that JT just repeated what he thought AF said.

Next you'll be typing a half plausible sentence

 

[Drogs]

I have spotted a bit of a trend on this forum, it appears to be the Liverpool, Spuds, United, QPR fans along with people who's hatred for Terry shines so strong, it blocks out any sense of ration from their thick moronic skulls - that are saying Terry is STILL guilty and STILL a racist. Shocker .

 

[The Billionth QPR Fan]

Not guilty was always going to be the verdict. There just wasn't enough evidence to prove him guilty. I found it abit odd that Terry first said he said "no I didn't call you an FBC" and then said he was sarcastically repeating Anton's words. If he actually did racially abuse Ferdinand, which I'm not saying he did, then he's extremely lucky that Ashley Cole walked in front of the camera. Whether he did or didn't, the verdict is not guilty, that's the end of that.

 

[loftboy]

Can you people with half a brain not lip read what terry said let me spell it out (you ****ing black ****)what is their to defend,racist or not that is what he said.

 

[Drogs]

Can you people with half a brain not lip read what terry said let me spell it out (you ****ing black ****)what is their to defend,racist or not that is what he said.

Jesus Christ, you may well be the most stupid person on here.

 

[Yurilly]

To all the black guys who support chelsea are you happy with this your captain what ever decision was made is a racist,anyone who can lip read can see that even if AF did taunt him he still did'nt need to say what he said.

I feel sorry for black people in this country lets kick out racism and then up pops a decision like this what a ****ing joke.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ton-row-with-Gabriel-Agbonlahor-Football.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/nov/05/astonvilla-newcastleunited-barton-agbonlahor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/34...plaint-to-save-Barton-from-bad-publicity.html

 

[Drogs]

Not guilty was always going to be the verdict. There just wasn't enough evidence to prove him guilty. I found it abit odd that Terry first said he said "no I didn't call you an FBC" and then said he was sarcastically repeating Anton's words. If he actually did racially abuse Ferdinand, which I'm not saying he did, then he's extremely lucky that Ashley Cole walked in front of the camera. Whether he did or didn't, the verdict is not guilty, that's the end of that.

I know what you're saying, but surely Ashley Cole (a man of colour who was within touching distance of JT) would've turned round or made some form of reaction had he heard JT say 'Oi Anton, you FBC!'. Terry also had several character references to name a few; Bosingwa, Wilkins, Cole, Mourinho, Bertrand and an Asian associate of Terry's who all confirmed Terry is not a racist. Ashley Cole is also mutual friends of both Ferdinand bros and JT himself, he has no reason to jump to JT's aid more than Anton's and the fact he is also black should tell you that.

 

[District Line]

I have spotted a bit of a trend on this forum, it appears to be the Liverpool, Spuds, United, QPR fans along with people who's hatred for Terry shines so strong, it blocks out any sense of ration from their thick moronic skulls - that are saying Terry is STILL guilty and STILL a racist. Shocker .

I wouldn't worry Drogs. The only type of people IMO worse than racists are those that try and use it for their own agenda (the people you mentioned) to enhance public image (Jason Roberts and Clarke Carlisle).

The fact is none of these people care about the case. I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of people commenting on the case did not follow it throughout and we're licking their lips salivating at the prospect of JT being found guilty when we all knew (figure of speech) he wouldn't given the evidence presented and the Magitsrates comments yesterday.

There are common differences amongst fans but they have clearly United for the greater good.

United fans are angry because they wanted Terry banned thus missing games for Chelsea and hampering our chances. They see us as a threat next season so it's beneficial to have our captain suspended and pre season hampered.

Liverpool fans are angry because they feel somehow Terry's verdict in COURT now vindicates Suarez. They want the attention all on them as usual and want to play victim.

Spurs fans are angry because.... Well Spurs fans are always angry

West Ham fans... Bitter as usual

Arsenal fans just want to deflect the attention away from their team although same reasons as United really.

Nobody really is interested in finding out the truth. They just want Terry banned for the sake of banning him. Were this Ryan Giggs or somebody with a different media persona people would be rational but they are allowing their hatred for an individual to shroud their judgement and more or less... Reality

 

[The Billionth QPR Fan]

I know what you're saying, but surely Ashley Cole (a man of colour who was within touching distance of JT) would've turned round or made some form of reaction had he heard JT say 'Oi Anton, you FBC!'. Terry also had several character references to name a few; Bosingwa, Wilkins, Cole, Mourinho, Bertrand and an Asian associate of Terry's who all confirmed Terry is not a racist. Ashley Cole is also mutual friends of both Ferdinand bros and JT himself, he has no reason to jump to JT's aid more than Anton's and the fact he is also black should tell you that.

That's a fair point. Anyway, this is over. No need to discuss anymore.

 

[loftboy]

You can put up all the paper reports you like was JB caught on camera saying it no, if he was racist then the guy should have reported it to the ref,still if it was like this case nothing would have happened so whats the point.

 

[Drogs]

I wouldn't worry Drogs. The only type of people IMO worse than racists are those that try and use it for their own agenda (the people you mentioned) to enhance public image (Jason Roberts and Clarke Carlisle).

The fact is none of these people care about the case. I'm willing to bet that at least 90% of people commenting on the case did not follow it throughout and we're licking their lips salivating at the prospect of JT being found guilty when we all knew (figure of speech) he wouldn't given the evidence presented and the Magitsrates comments yesterday.

There are common differences amongst fans but they have clearly United for the greater good.

United fans are angry because they wanted Terry banned thus missing games for Chelsea and hampering our chances. They see us as a threat next season so it's beneficial to have our captain suspended and pre season hampered.

Liverpool fans are angry because they feel somehow Terry's verdict in COURT now vindicates Suarez. They want the attention all on them as usual and want to play victim.

Spurs fans are angry because.... Well Spurs fans are always angry

West Ham fans... Bitter as usual

Arsenal fans just want to deflect the attention away from their team although same reasons as United really.

Nobody really is interested in finding out the truth. They just want Terry banned for the sake of banning him. Were this Ryan Giggs or somebody with a different media persona people would be rational but they are allowing their hatred for an individual to shroud their judgement and more or less... Reality

Spot on, shame really that football can severely cloud judgement in very serious situations such as this one.

 

[Drogs]

That's a fair point. Anyway, this is over. No need to discuss anymore.

Agreed but unfortunately I don't think this is over, at least not here on the Chelsea board. The FA look like they'll have something to say too so could be a few weeks even months before this blows over.

 

[Blueman]

That's a fair point. Anyway, this is over. No need to discuss anymore.

To this.

 

[District Line]

You can put up all the paper reports you like was JB caught on camera saying it no, if he was racist then the guy should have reported it to the ref,still if it was like this case nothing would have happened so whats the point.

I understand your anger but you are venting it at the wrong people.

It isn't:

A) Our fault

B) The Judges fault.

Once you allow people to be convicted for subjective evidence in Criminal Courts it increases the likelihood of innocent people being Convicted in the future.

I've had close family members involved in mistaken identity cases before and it isn't nice. Imagine if they had actually faced prison/charges based on minimal/no evidence. Would you want that for yourself or family member?

There's nothing we can do now but accept the decision and move on, in the same way we would of had to if Terry was found guilty.

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

 

[Yurilly]

I wouldn't worry Drogs. The only type of people IMO worse than racists are those that try and use it for their own agenda (the people you mentioned) to enhance public image (Jason Roberts and Clarke Carlisle).

I agree District. It seems as if these people actually would have wanted Terry to use racist language towards Ferdinand simply to pursue their own little quest. They don't really care about the issue of racism they just want to scapegoat someone, preferably in a high position who is loathed by bitter outsiders, so that they can bring attention towards their way and not disappear into thin air and become completely insignificant which deep down they know they are.

 

[District Line]

I agree District. It seems as if these people actually would have wanted Terry to use racist language towards Ferdinand simply to pursue their own little quest. They don't really care about the issue of racism they just want to scapegoat someone, preferably in a high position who is loathed by bitter outsiders, so that they can bring attention towards their way and not disappear into thin air and become completely insignificant which deep down they know they are.

Agree it was the media that pushed this. Not Anton, not JT, not QPR, not Chelsea. It was outsiders that claimed that found out via 3rd parties and claimed what they may have seen as fact.

What these people want is someone hung, drawn and quartered to try and make themselves feel better about themselves. Racism is like a weed and the Only way to kill the weed is to chop it by the roots. If we want to stamp racism out the game it starts in the family home and then moves on to grass roots and then onwards. There is no point in trying to contain racism I'd rather eradicate it all together. If people like Suarez hold racist views now, giving them a slap on the wrist and banning them isn't going to stop them holding those racist views. It may even cause resentment and escalate the problem further as we saw with Evra/Suarez.

I really do find the likes of Sol Campbell, Clarke Carlisle and Jason Roberts embarrasing.

 

[Yurilly]

You can put up all the paper reports you like was JB caught on camera saying it no, if he was racist then the guy should have reported it to the ref,still if it was like this case nothing would have happened so whats the point.

And nobody heard Terry say what he allegedly said at the time, nor was there any audio to what he said. With Barton there actually was a witness to what he had said. Aston Villa could still have made a complaint to the FA, but Agbonlahor chose not to. The reason for that was because did not want to drag Barton's already filth covered name through the mud and stain it any more than it already was. That is the issue with a lot of race related incidents - players do not report it and many have come out and said the same thing. There is very little doubt in my mind that there have been a load of racial abuse throughout the years on the pitch which simply has not been reported by the victim or anyone else who may have heard it.

 

[Drogs]

Agree it was the media that pushed this. Not Anton, not JT, not QPR, not Chelsea. It was outsiders that claimed that found out via 3rd parties and claimed what they may have seen as fact.

What these people want is someone hung, drawn and quartered to try and make themselves feel better about themselves. Racism is like a weed and the Only way to kill the weed is to chop it by the roots. If we want to stamp racism out the game it starts in the family home and then moves on to grass roots and then onwards. There is no point in trying to contain racism I'd rather eradicate it all together. If people like Suarez hold racist views now, giving them a slap on the wrist and banning them isn't going to stop them holding those racist views. It may even cause resentment and escalate the problem further as we saw with Evra/Suarez.

I really do find the likes of Sol Campbell, Clarke Carlisle and Jason Roberts embarrasing.

I take it Sol, Clarke and Roberts all said this on the beautiful invention that is twitter? What did they say District?