Jokanovic
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Time will tell but generally speaking what's good for the club is good for them and will be good for us. It is all a bit unpalatable just at the moment but they, the Pozzo's, have a reputation for inflicting short term pain for long term gain. Not the Watford way and all that but I don't think I'd be alone in saying that that ship has long since sailed. I don't subscribe to the idea that because something is not necessarily right it is absolutely wrong. Time, I suspect, will tell. It invariably does.
Please please no, the most clueless idiot to be associated with the club, made even Basset look reasonable
There are very few clubs where that still occurs, and strangely enough not always ones owned by 'old fashioned British' owners. Our owners have made a serious investment in our team, they'd be fools to handicap their success by firing managers for the sake of it. Managers do get sacked a lot in Italy, but mainly when their teams are underperforming (ie: Sannino).
You're also wrong about the new manager's credentials. Calling the Thai league a joke is ridiculous, they still play football, if it was as shambolic as you see it then it'd be a miracle if he won it.
I'm not angry about the new appointment, and I was a lot more annoyed by the McKinlay appointment. He didn't seem to have the credentials to turn us into a promotion-winning team and I wasn't impressed with his post-match interview after the game on Saturday.
I would much rather have the Pozzos in charge than someone like Ashley at Newcastle
I don't think the Pozzos would fire anyone for the sake of it - but they have shown they do not have a long fuse. The majority of clubs still tend to fire managers when their clubs are in danger of relegation - I cannot think of too many firing a manager who is second in the table.
I did not call the Thai league a joke - I simply implied that the standards there are not high - unless you know of any quality teams they have playing successfully in Asian football. You seem to be confusing quality with - to use your own word "shambolic". Do you think a manager who has won the Conference South would make a good Watford manager in the Championship necessarily - personally I not only doubt it but would not risk the chance. If you regard the Thai league as a good stepping stone to the Championship then I bow to your superior knowledge of that league. I suspect the majority of us doubt it's quality.
I too was surprised at the appointment of McKinlay - but having appointed him I was more surprised they sacked him a week later. His lack of "number one" experience is not what i would have expected form owners determined to reach the Premiership this season. Yet in fact when you look at him he may have more to offer than we thought - compare Brendan Rogers pre-Watford credentials.
I am very hopeful that Jokanovic will be a great appointment - however from their previous appointments I am beginning to lose faith in the Pozzo's ability to choose a manager - there seems to be something of a scattergun approach.
100 % agreed on having the Pozzos as owners - they have so many things right - all they have to do now is also get tehir first maangerial success.
A friend who knows more about such things than me, suggests that the Thai league division 3, is not that bad and similar to the Championship in quality. It is split into four regional groups and they are all pretty good.
The Pozzos have built up a huge amount of goodwill among the fans, and boy, do they need it now. They will have to convince us that they have acted decisively , and in the best interests of the club, not in a panic, or merely to protect their investment. But they have a lot more credit in the bank before people start shouting "Pozzos Out".
It may forever be a mystery why McKinlay was dismissed after only 8 days in the job. Did it become clear within that short time that he was not up to the leadership role? Did he lose the confidence of his two Spanish assistants, to the point where they argued for his removal? (The bit about the "technical staff" in the Pozzo statement may be indicative). Or did he overplay his hand and make demands that the Pozzos could not meet? He did show a rather defensive approach in tactics and team selection in the Brighton game, and his remarks about " a good defensive display" were not very perceptive. Normally you don't get sacked for that, but maybe the Pozzos want someone more aggressive, willing to utilise the talents they have provided for an assault on the Prem. Did McKinlay already come over as too cautious? Perhaps they will keep changing the manager till they get it right and the promotion goal is achieved. Still time to do that this season, if the players are not too confused.
It may forever be a mystery why McKinlay was dismissed after only 8 days in the job. Did it become clear within that short time that he was not up to the leadership role? Did he lose the confidence of his two Spanish assistants, to the point where they argued for his removal? (The bit about the "technical staff" in the Pozzo statement may be indicative). Or did he overplay his hand and make demands that the Pozzos could not meet? He did show a rather defensive approach in tactics and team selection in the Brighton game, and his remarks about " a good defensive display" were not very perceptive. Normally you don't get sacked for that, but maybe the Pozzos want someone more aggressive, willing to utilise the talents they have provided for an assault on the Prem. Did McKinlay already come over as too cautious? Perhaps they will keep changing the manager till they get it right and the promotion goal is achieved. Still time to do that this season, if the players are not too confused.
Is that really true? I always thought our Championship was reckoned to be far superior to most other nation's second divisions and on a par with some top leagues. Is Thailand so strong? Amazing
I appreciate you are being positive here but there can be no comparison between the Thai 3rd tier and the supposed 5th strongest division in the world.
What's done is done so we move on although the LMA are obviously working to help McKinlay who has been well and truly sc#**ed by us today.
Yes Leo, I was amazed as well. Seeing French Ligue 2 quite often I compare it with conference standard. Certainly Italian football is on the slide with decreasing crowds, less money coming into their game, it is no wonder that the Pozzo family are looking at Watford to be their major club.
We are reported here.
http://www.mbl.is/sport/enski/2014/10/07/jokanovic_fjordi_stjorinn_a_37_dogum/
Jokanovic fjórði stjórinn á 37 dögum
Serbinn Slavisa Jokanovic hefur verið ráðinn knattspyrnustjóri enska B-deild ar félagsins Watford og kemur þar með à staðinn fyrir Billy McKinley sem var aðeins með liðið à átta daga.
Jokanovic verður þar með fjórði stjóri Watford á aðeins 37 dögum. Beppe Sannino hætti à lok ágúst eftir ágreining við leikmenn. Oscar GarcÃa tók við en varð að hætta af heilsufarsástæðum. McKinley tók við af honum til bráðabirgða en nú á Jokanovic að vera endanlega lausnin.
Jokanovic er 46 ára gamall og lék 64 landsleiki fyrir JúgóslavÃu á sÃnum tÃma. Hann lék með Chelsea à tvö ár en annars lengst á Spáni með Oviedo, Tenerife, Deportivo La Coruna og Murcia.
Partizan Belgrad varð serbnesur meistari tvö ár à röð undir hans stjórn. Hann hélt sÃðan til Tælands og vann þar meistaratitilinn með Muangthong United. Jokanovic stýrði Levski Sofia à BúlgarÃu à fjóra mánuði á sÃðasta ári en var rekinn vegna slæms gengis. Ãá fór hann til spænska C-deild arliðsins Hércules.
Ãrátt fyrir þetta umrót er Watford eitt þriggja liða sem eru jöfn og efst à ensku B-deildinni en liðið er með 21 stig eins og Norwich og Nottingham Forest.
Jokanovic fourth manager in 37 days
The Serb Slavisa Jokanovic has been appointed manager of English B-division Watford and is thus in place of Billy McKinley was only with the team for eight days.
Jokanovic becoming the fourth coach at Watford in just 37 days. Beppe Sannino left at the end of August after a dispute with the players. Oscar GarcÃa took over but had to quit for health reasons. McKinley succeeded provisionally but now Jokanovic be the final solution.
Jokanovic is 46-years old played 64 times for Yugoslavia at the time. He played with Chelsea for two years than the longest in Spain with Oviedo, Tenerife, Deportivo La Coruna and Murcia.
Partizan Belgrade became the Serbian champions two years in a row under his command. He then headed to Thailand working in the Championship with Muangthong United. Jokanovic directed Levski Sofia in Bulgaria for four months last year, but was fired because of bad luck. Then he went to the Spanish league with Hércules CF.
Despite this turmoil Watford is one of three teams that are equal to the top of the Premier B league, but the team's 21 points as Norwich and Nottingham Forest.
http://www.mbl.is/sport/enski/2014/10/07/jokanovic_fjordi_stjorinn_a_37_dogum/
Jokanovic fjórði stjórinn á 37 dögum
Serbinn Slavisa Jokanovic hefur verið ráðinn knattspyrnustjóri enska B-deild ar félagsins Watford og kemur þar með à staðinn fyrir Billy McKinley sem var aðeins með liðið à átta daga.
Jokanovic verður þar með fjórði stjóri Watford á aðeins 37 dögum. Beppe Sannino hætti à lok ágúst eftir ágreining við leikmenn. Oscar GarcÃa tók við en varð að hætta af heilsufarsástæðum. McKinley tók við af honum til bráðabirgða en nú á Jokanovic að vera endanlega lausnin.
Jokanovic er 46 ára gamall og lék 64 landsleiki fyrir JúgóslavÃu á sÃnum tÃma. Hann lék með Chelsea à tvö ár en annars lengst á Spáni með Oviedo, Tenerife, Deportivo La Coruna og Murcia.
Partizan Belgrad varð serbnesur meistari tvö ár à röð undir hans stjórn. Hann hélt sÃðan til Tælands og vann þar meistaratitilinn með Muangthong United. Jokanovic stýrði Levski Sofia à BúlgarÃu à fjóra mánuði á sÃðasta ári en var rekinn vegna slæms gengis. Ãá fór hann til spænska C-deild arliðsins Hércules.
Ãrátt fyrir þetta umrót er Watford eitt þriggja liða sem eru jöfn og efst à ensku B-deildinni en liðið er með 21 stig eins og Norwich og Nottingham Forest.
Jokanovic fourth manager in 37 days
The Serb Slavisa Jokanovic has been appointed manager of English B-division Watford and is thus in place of Billy McKinley was only with the team for eight days.
Jokanovic becoming the fourth coach at Watford in just 37 days. Beppe Sannino left at the end of August after a dispute with the players. Oscar GarcÃa took over but had to quit for health reasons. McKinley succeeded provisionally but now Jokanovic be the final solution.
Jokanovic is 46-years old played 64 times for Yugoslavia at the time. He played with Chelsea for two years than the longest in Spain with Oviedo, Tenerife, Deportivo La Coruna and Murcia.
Partizan Belgrade became the Serbian champions two years in a row under his command. He then headed to Thailand working in the Championship with Muangthong United. Jokanovic directed Levski Sofia in Bulgaria for four months last year, but was fired because of bad luck. Then he went to the Spanish league with Hércules CF.
Despite this turmoil Watford is one of three teams that are equal to the top of the Premier B league, but the team's 21 points as Norwich and Nottingham Forest.
Just checked up on a German football website and found the following statistics about Jokanovic. As a manager he has won 58.9% of his matches, drawn 18.9% and lost 22.2%. His preferred system is 4-2-3-1.
A few comments from the new gaffer here, no big changes to start with then!
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sp...ility_is_needed__there_will_be_no_revolution/
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sp...ility_is_needed__there_will_be_no_revolution/
A quote from the latest 'From the Rookery End' podcast that I quite liked was that we have had as many Head Coaches so far this season as QPR have points.
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sp...nental_style_to_traditional_British_football/
Some more comments from 'The Joka'
Some more comments from 'The Joka'
It seems that we have Zola to thank - or blame if it does go pear-shaped...
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-says-new-boss-slavisa-jokanovic-9800950.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-says-new-boss-slavisa-jokanovic-9800950.html
we will always have a lot of players from spain and Italy so English managers ect will always be at a disadvantage
To paraphrase Alan Smart after the Bolton play off win "I'll tell you, the gaffer knows how to win matches". One swallow and all that but a great start. On to the next game.