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Well they didn't sell Troy, they have invested heavily in the squad, they have invested heavily in the ground. It isn't all bad, unless you are manager of course!
 
Hmmm, I disagree with a lot of the comments on here...

1. Sannino always seemed out of his depth, and was not inspiring the team.
2. Garcia was the manager they wanted, they didn't exactly fire him...
3. From my POV, McKinlay was brought in to cover whilst Garcia was off, and would have been a useful member of the coaching staff when he returned.
4. Billy was sacked/wanted to leave for Fulham, I don't think we know for sure yet?

The only person they have definitely treated harshly was Dyche, and that was a long time ago....
 
Toby said:
Hmmm, I disagree with a lot of the comments on here...

1. Sannino always seemed out of his depth, and was not inspiring the team.
2. Garcia was the manager they wanted, they didn't exactly fire him...
3. From my POV, McKinlay was brought in to cover whilst Garcia was off, and would have been a useful member of the coaching staff when he returned.
4. Billy was sacked/wanted to leave for Fulham, I don't think we know for sure yet?

The only person they have definitely treated harshly was Dyche, and that was a long time ago....
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Agree on all 4 points.... we can jump to conclusions without knowing the full facts.....
 
Agree with much of that Toby - I am glad Sannino went -but should he ever have been appointed. too lightweight?
Garcia looked an impressive appointment - and just bad luck for all that he became ill - no reflection on the Pozzos there

but.... if as you say McKinlay was brought in as "cover" his title would have been "Caretaker" manager - and it was not. Would he have resigned his NI job in those circumstances? No - that was a definite Pozzo error of judgment.

Statements from Watford/ Pozzos have now made it clear that he was dismissed and did not want to leave.


To me the Pozzos have been great for our club. We have had some exciting years already, seen some great football and experienced many more highs than lows. They have sorted out the ground - a massive plus.

On managers they just have a European mentality - hire and fire as quickly as you like - get results or get out. I do not like that philosophy much but who anm I to argue with a family who have been very successful in their football endaevours in Italy and Spain.

The message to anyone thinking of accepting a manager's job with us though has to be "Cave Pozzo"
 
colognehornet said:
His 'winning pedigree' refers to successfull stints in Serbia and Thailand - which is apparently of more worth than having 6-7 years coaching experience at Fulham. Basically they are saying 'we do not want a British manager' under any circumstances. They have built up a cupfull of goodwill with us Hornets - close to the top of our league, a new stand and financial security. But my 'cup' is draining fast.
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I think it isn't a cup but a collander
 
Leonardo said:
Agree with much of that Toby - I am glad Sannino went -but should he ever have been appointed. too lightweight?
Garcia looked an impressive appointment - and just bad luck for all that he became ill - no reflection on the Pozzos there

but.... if as you say McKinlay was brought in as "cover" his title would have been "Caretaker" manager - and it was not. Would he have resigned his NI job in those circumstances? No - that was a definite Pozzo error of judgment.

Statements from Watford/ Pozzos have now made it clear that he was dismissed and did not want to leave.


To me the Pozzos have been great for our club. We have had some exciting years already, seen some great football and experienced many more highs than lows. They have sorted out the ground - a massive plus.

On managers they just have a European mentality - hire and fire as quickly as you like - get results or get out. I do not like that philosophy much but who anm I to argue with a family who have been very successful in their football endaevours in Italy and Spain.

The message to anyone thinking of accepting a manager's job with us though has to be "Cave Pozzo"
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1. You can't know that for sure.

2. That's just not true, Sannino would have been fired long before the season started if that was the case, Zola too when we failed to get promoted.

There are many worse owners in England, and I honestly can't think of any others I'd want to swap the Pozzos for.
 
We now have Leicester idiots crawling over our board <doh>
 
I presume he has to win 2 games in a row otherwise his role will be under threat.

:undecided:

A very messy situation even by our standards.

Good luck to the new man!

He might need it...
 
Markthehorn said:
I presume he has to win 2 games in a row otherwise his role will be under threat.

:undecided:

A very messy situation even by our standards.

Good luck to the new man!

He might need it...
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Why are you saying that?
 
One or two things seem obvious even if there are many questions we might want answered. This must have been going on behind the scenes for several days, otherwise the Pozzos would not have been able to announce the new man so quickly. They must already know him and he them. You don't just pick up a phone, introduce yourself, then offer a job on a Monday and appoint someone on a Tuesday. If this had been in the offing for some days, then it must represent a very sudden change of mind by the owners. More experience? Not sure about that, but different experience by only ever being a number two. Was there some reluctance to give up the part-time job? There is a difference between offering to do so and being asked to. These are things we may not be told as real information only comes out very occasionally.
I am not comfortable with the way it all happened, and how come the Daily Mail were the first to get the story? I do tend towards believing that our new man might be good for us, but a great deal will depend on how he gets on with the players in the club.
 
Well it was more in jest (if you mean the last line?)

A bad run of results and he might be out the door!?
 
Markthehorn said:
Well it was more in jest (if you mean the last line?)

A bad run of results and he might be out the door!?
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We've suffered some awful runs of results and the manager has left.

We've been on a good run of results and the manager has left.

I don't think results will decide on the longevity of this manager, especially not in the next few games...(of course, in the long run, he'll be fired if he turns out to be useless)
 
Toby said:
1. You can't know that for sure.

2. That's just not true, Sannino would have been fired long before the season started if that was the case, Zola too when we failed to get promoted.

There are many worse owners in England, and I honestly can't think of any others I'd want to swap the Pozzos for.
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1 You are right of course - none of us KNOW details of others affairs but if you were a betting man would you bet that someone who was given a caretaker role (that could last only a short while if the "main man " got fit quickly) wouold give up a long term NI position that he held. He did not resign it when appoointed to his original role - we have been told he had to resign it to take up the manager's role. I tend to go on balance of probablilities.

2 Agree in part again - they are not quite as fast to hire and fire as some and in both the cases you mention they did appear to stay their hand for a while. However we do not know how long they were looking for replacements; Sannino was fired with us in second place which suggests either they had been lining up a replacement and finally got him or that they did react with a knee jerk to a dressing room situation. Either way I stand by my point that those actions appear to me to be more close to a European style of ownership where managers come and go as opposed to the old fashioned British style where it often took a long time fo rsomeone to be replaced - I accpet of course there are many exceptions to this "rule"
 
Leonardo said:
1 You are right of course - none of us KNOW details of others affairs but if you were a betting man would you bet that someone who was given a caretaker role (that could last only a short while if the "main man " got fit quickly) wouold give up a long term NI position that he held. He did not resign it when appoointed to his original role - we have been told he had to resign it to take up the manager's role. I tend to go on balance of probablilities.

2 Agree in part again - they are not quite as fast to hire and fire as some and in both the cases you mention they did appear to stay their hand for a while. However we do not know how long they were looking for replacements; Sannino was fired with us in second place which suggests either they had been lining up a replacement and finally got him or that they did react with a knee jerk to a dressing room situation. Either way I stand by my point that those actions appear to me to be more close to a European style of ownership where managers come and go as opposed to the old fashioned British style where it often took a long time fo rsomeone to be replaced - I accpet of course there are many exceptions to this "rule"
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There are very few clubs where that still occurs, and strangely enough not always ones owned by 'old fashioned British' owners. Our owners have made a serious investment in our team, they'd be fools to handicap their success by firing managers for the sake of it. Managers do get sacked a lot in Italy, but mainly when their teams are underperforming (ie: Sannino).

You're also wrong about the new manager's credentials. Calling the Thai league a joke is ridiculous, they still play football, if it was as shambolic as you see it then it'd be a miracle if he won it.

I'm not angry about the new appointment, and I was a lot more annoyed by the McKinlay appointment. He didn't seem to have the credentials to turn us into a promotion-winning team and I wasn't impressed with his post-match interview after the game on Saturday.

I would much rather have the Pozzos in charge than someone like Ashley at Newcastle <ok>
 
I suppose its better if your uncertain about somebody to get rid early than let it fester...

I am sure everyone will support Jokanovic and I did agree that McKinlay's tactics and mid-set were a bit negative on Saturday..

Maybe the Pozzos thought the same.

They have to give the new man time though - and having Deeney fit would help.
 
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