Jocelin Ta Bi

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I noticed our new signing doesn't have his own thread and after having a chat with an old mate who previously worked at the FoL and still has connections at the club, I thought I'd share bits and pieces of what I was told about the player.

I was told the player is an anomaly, most of the best young talents in Ivory Coast go through a relatively small number of academies, the most famous is that of ASEC Mimosa, you might consider them the Manchester United of the Ivory Coast and the other prominent ones are usually ran by ex-international players or are affiliates (ie funded) of European clubs, mostly in France and Belgium. It's actually very rare that players who do not get selected by one of these top academies make it out of Ivory Coast. Sometimes family connections can help, this is why it's not unusually to find African players in Europe who are cousins.

The player was deemed too small and not good enough quite early whilst with JC Abidjan and was subsequently allowed to leave, instead of dropping down into the domestic football leagues he was able to travel to Israel and get a trial with a small club due to having a cousin (haha) playing in Israel. Apparently due to not being at a proper academy the player was extremely raw and was more comparable to a street footballer or a skills exhibition than an actual 11v11 footballer with tactics and positioning etc

Interestingly this is said to be a phenomenon across West Africa, it is suggested that there might be thousands of potential top class footballers that are untrained and never develop beyond a "skills school" type of football and that if they were to be given more access to coaching they could make it to more pominent football leagues.

Back to Ta Bi, fast forward and he signs with a bigger club in Israel due to his exploits in youth football and is subsequently loaned out to a second tier side to learn about tactics and positional sense and over time pulls some record breaking numbers, apparently his 1v1 data (taking on defenders) is unlike anything that has been noted since data was taken.

So here we are, £3.5m later with this rough, uncut diamond, the next challenge is to cut and polish.
 
I noticed our new signing doesn't have his own thread and after having a chat with an old mate who previously worked at the FoL and still has connections at the club, I thought I'd share bits and pieces of what I was told about the player.

I was told the player is an anomaly, most of the best young talents in Ivory Coast go through a relatively small number of academies, the most famous is that of ASEC Mimosa, you might consider them the Manchester United of the Ivory Coast and the other prominent ones are usually ran by ex-international players or are affiliates (ie funded) of European clubs, mostly in France and Belgium. It's actually very rare that players who do not get selected by one of these top academies make it out of Ivory Coast. Sometimes family connections can help, this is why it's not unusually to find African players in Europe who are cousins.

The player was deemed too small and not good enough quite early whilst with JC Abidjan and was subsequently allowed to leave, instead of dropping down into the domestic football leagues he was able to travel to Israel and get a trial with a small club due to having a cousin (haha) playing in Israel. Apparently due to not being at a proper academy the player was extremely raw and was more comparable to a street footballer or a skills exhibition than an actual 11v11 footballer with tactics and positioning etc

Interestingly this is said to be a phenomenon across West Africa, it is suggested that there might be thousands of potential top class footballers that are untrained and never develop beyond a "skills school" type of football and that if they were to be given more access to coaching they could make it to more pominent football leagues.

Back to Ta Bi, fast forward and he signs with a bigger club in Israel due to his exploits in youth football and is subsequently loaned out to a second tier side to learn about tactics and positional sense and over time pulls some record breaking numbers, apparently his 1v1 data (taking on defenders) is unlike anything that has been noted since data was taken.

So here we are, £3.5m later with this rough, uncut diamond, the next challenge is to cut and polish.
Thanks for posting mate.....be interesting to see how he develops.
 
I noticed our new signing doesn't have his own thread and after having a chat with an old mate who previously worked at the FoL and still has connections at the club, I thought I'd share bits and pieces of what I was told about the player.

I was told the player is an anomaly, most of the best young talents in Ivory Coast go through a relatively small number of academies, the most famous is that of ASEC Mimosa, you might consider them the Manchester United of the Ivory Coast and the other prominent ones are usually ran by ex-international players or are affiliates (ie funded) of European clubs, mostly in France and Belgium. It's actually very rare that players who do not get selected by one of these top academies make it out of Ivory Coast. Sometimes family connections can help, this is why it's not unusually to find African players in Europe who are cousins.

The player was deemed too small and not good enough quite early whilst with JC Abidjan and was subsequently allowed to leave, instead of dropping down into the domestic football leagues he was able to travel to Israel and get a trial with a small club due to having a cousin (haha) playing in Israel. Apparently due to not being at a proper academy the player was extremely raw and was more comparable to a street footballer or a skills exhibition than an actual 11v11 footballer with tactics and positioning etc

Interestingly this is said to be a phenomenon across West Africa, it is suggested that there might be thousands of potential top class footballers that are untrained and never develop beyond a "skills school" type of football and that if they were to be given more access to coaching they could make it to more pominent football leagues.

Back to Ta Bi, fast forward and he signs with a bigger club in Israel due to his exploits in youth football and is subsequently loaned out to a second tier side to learn about tactics and positional sense and over time pulls some record breaking numbers, apparently his 1v1 data (taking on defenders) is unlike anything that has been noted since data was taken.

So here we are, £3.5m later with this rough, uncut diamond, the next challenge is to cut and polish.

Good thread mate and I agree.

Hume arrived with barely a mention and is a diamond …

… I can’t remember him being introduced on the pitch come to think of it.
 
Good thread mate and I agree.

Hume arrived with barely a mention and is a diamond …

… I can’t remember him being introduced on the pitch come to think of it.

That's an interesting comparison, I tend to think what makes Trai such a great player are his mental attributes, the will to compete and win, the will to improve and get better, even if physically and technically there are limitations.

With this Ta Bi fella it seems like he is blessed with physical and technical qualities that are extremely unusual, the real challenge will be to see if he has the mental fortitude to develop and flesh out his full game and then apply it to top class football with goals and assists.
 
Think it was his agent who said we managed to get a work permit despite him having no national team appearances?

International clearance baffles me, to be honest but its rare that this happens isn't it?
 
That's an interesting comparison, I tend to think what makes Trai such a great player are his mental attributes, the will to compete and win, the will to improve and get better, even if physically and technically there are limitations.

With this Ta Bi fella it seems like he is blessed with physical and technical qualities that are extremely unusual, the real challenge will be to see if he has the mental fortitude to develop and flesh out his full game and then apply it to top class football with goals and assists.

It is encouraging that he didn't take no for an answer and looked abroad. Takes a lot for someone from his background to do what he has done.
 
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That gives me Jewison Bennette vibes - he had plenty of skill and came highly rated but he didn't seem to grasp the tactical positional side of things. Hopefully this lad does and can really kick on.
Yeah, I get the Jewison vibes. Really raw player.

Ta Bi can't land in many better setups to have the best chance of learning the tactical and positional side of things. Plus how we give young players the confidence to get out on the pitch and see what they can do.
 
Yeah, I get the Jewison vibes. Really raw player.

Ta Bi can't land in many better setups to have the best chance of learning the tactical and positional side of things. Plus how we give young players the confidence to get out on the pitch and see what they can do.
The number of African players in the squad will hopefully help him as well. I never felt like Jewi settled in and was really part of it.
 
I can see why you'd compare them (Bennette and Ta Bi) from the standpoint of being very raw, but there are key differences I'd say, Bennette was all about pace, he was lightening quick and that's about it. Ta Bi really shines in close control, he is much more skilful than Bennette ever was.

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Apparently Ta Bi learned Hebrew quite quickly whilst I'm not sure Jewi ever became fluent in English (might be wrong about that).
 
I can see why you'd compare them (Bennette and Ta Bi) from the standpoint of being very raw, but there are key differences I'd say, Bennette was all about pace, he was lightening quick and that's about it. Ta Bi really shines in close control, he is much more skilful than Bennette ever was.

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Apparently Ta Bi learned Hebrew quite quickly whilst I'm not sure Jewi ever became fluent in English (might be wrong about that).

Good insight.

That says a lot about Ta Bi's character and intelligence which will have helped us make a positive decision on him.

Like @dilb3rt says as well, our African lads can help him settle more easily. We thought the number of AFCON lads could be a hindrance to us but it's turning into a strength with how well they seem connected to the club and the squad.
 
We're in the fortunate position where we can buy players a year or two "too early" and let them develop. There's no mad rush to get him in the team, but once he's fit if he shows a bit of something in training then I'm sure Reggie would put him in. In the meantime he can build up his fitness, learn the language and the ways of English football. See where he is in 12-18 months time. Club seem to be far better at succession planning these days...
 
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Good insight.

That says a lot about Ta Bi's character and intelligence which will have helped us make a positive decision on him.

Like @dilb3rt says as well, our African lads can help him settle more easily. We thought the number of AFCON lads could be a hindrance to us but it's turning into a strength with how well they seem connected to the club and the squad.
I think I read somewhere that this year's AFCoN is the last to be played mid-season, so the gamble of buying the likes of Sadiki, Diarra, Talbi and co has paid off handsomely
 
I think I read somewhere that this year's AFCoN is the last to be played mid-season, so the gamble of buying the likes of Sadiki, Diarra, Talbi and co has paid off handsomely
They are moving it but it's not the next one. There's going to be 2 in 2 years and then the 3 one will be out of the season and then every four years from then on.
 
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They are moving it but it's not the next one. There's going to be 2 in 2 years and then the 3 one will be out of the season and then every four years from then on.
Doesn't look like the dates have been set for 2027 or 2028 so here's hoping it's not mid-season

EDIT: 2027 edition will be in August
 
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