Jenson Button to Ferrari?
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Michael schumacher, last year and this? Jacques villeneuve? Damon hill?
Turning the question on its head, how many wdc have sought the best possible team mates to be compared against? Many would simply not have made the move to prevent the kind of comments rhat I have read here.
This kind of aggressive opinionating may prove to be correct, but does nothing for debate.
Turning the question on its head, how many wdc have sought the best possible team mates to be compared against? Many would simply not have made the move to prevent the kind of comments rhat I have read here.
This kind of aggressive opinionating may prove to be correct, but does nothing for debate.
I think you just cut yourself with your own wit
No points awarded for qualifying so that's irrelevant
Prost also out pointed Senna both years he got whipped in qualifying in the same car, so that's also irrelevant
4-1 so far under normal conditions, how will this ratio change? Will Jenso become suddenly better, more clever, better at strategy, improve his qualifying?
None of the above?
All I'm saying is Jenson would look better up against Alonso in the same car than up against Lewis
He would have a better chance against Alonso who relies less on blistering pace and bravery than Lewis or Sebastien
I actually think Jense has a much better mindset than Alonso and could out psyche him
Look how well Jense has handled been regularly overtaken and beaten by Lewis, Alonso disintegrated under the same test and has arguably never being the same since
He would have a better chance against Alonso who relies less on blistering pace and bravery than Lewis or Sebastien
I actually think Jense has a much better mindset than Alonso and could out psyche him
Look how well Jense has handled been regularly overtaken and beaten by Lewis, Alonso disintegrated under the same test and has arguably never being the same since
Damon Hill was beaten by a ratio of 4-1 by a teammate after he won the WC?
A good debate allows participants to go beyond their comfort level to influence it's outcome
You can't argue with Nostradamus. By the time you get to the point where his argument can be proved or disproved he'll have long since disappeared. Typical WUM behaviour - take a supposition and argue like it's FACT.
I am sorry but this whole 4-1 thing is utter crap and it seems a little desperate to keep banging on about it. After five races last season Button was leading the championship, was that a good reflection of the entire season? Button and Hamilton are both world class drivers who have both won the WDC and who push each other very hard. Just because you prefer one does not mean you have to hate the other, that is unless you are feeling threatened by them.
1999 HHF was in with a shout of the WDC until electrical issues at Nurburgring, Hill was nowhere.
Also, looking at a simple ratio as you have put forward is to miss a large part of the point. How many times did Alonso finish ahead of Lewis in 2007?
If a 100m runner finished behind Usain Bolt every race they entered, would that be seen as a "Horrible Hiding"? or would that depend on the individual performance of the runner in question?
Does a good debate need to use phrases like "Horrible hiding"?
You may be correct in your assertions, that will be proven or not at the end of the season, I would respectfully suggest that you would be far more likely to nurture debate without using such disrespectful terminology.
You boys need to get out more
Q. Button for Ferrari?
A. I opine that Jense would be better off there as ever since race 6 of 2010 he has had his ass handed to him by Lewis
Maybe one of you Mensa members could tell us the stats for wins and quali between the two since then?
Before you get your knickers all twisted up, Please remember that I am only explaining my reasoning as to why Jense would be better against Alonso at Ferrari than staying at Mclaren
Q. Button for Ferrari?
A. I opine that Jense would be better off there as ever since race 6 of 2010 he has had his ass handed to him by Lewis
Maybe one of you Mensa members could tell us the stats for wins and quali between the two since then?
Before you get your knickers all twisted up, Please remember that I am only explaining my reasoning as to why Jense would be better against Alonso at Ferrari than staying at Mclaren
you are a class A idiot, you have no clue what you are talking about. For one it would help if the cars Alonso and Lewis drove that year were equal.
So are you a class b or c idiot?
The Mclarens were different cars were they?
So Mclaren employed the 2 x reigning WC and gave him an inferior car to a rookie who only got the seat because there was no one else available apart from an old test driver?
Class d for dunce
Guys dont react to DeVries. Just ignore him for now and a mod should clear this all up when they come online.
And so you undo your own argument. 5 races in this year and you already judge, but the same period last year should be discounted.
No one is trying to claim that Jenson is a better driver but statistics like 4-1 don't tell the whole story. Here's another fact. "between races 2 and 16 of last season Jenson scored more points. Does it mean anything. Not really. neither does 4-1. What matters is points and perhaps the gap between them as well. I think it has averaged out at 2 tenths for this year and last. Lewis wins in both and is the better driver, but it is not "having his arse handed to him" nor does he need to run off to ferrari and hide.
This and the "Mensa" and "you guys should get out more" leads me to one question. Did you really expect to insult JB like that and not get a resonse?
*sigh*
There was no difference right up until after the Monaco GP where there was a difference of opinion over strategy. Lewis thought he could have passed Alonso when really Alonso was in engine save mode and could have danced off into the lead again at any time . Basically Lewis created a hooha out of nothing mouthing off about the team etc, to the press when clearly in the wrong. Strangely McLaren backed him and told Alonso to "go easy on him" as Alonso was understandably annoyed. After that there is a strange downturn in Alonso's results aand an upturn in Lewis' with Alonso reporting strange tyre pressures among other anomalies. Hamilton's final move was to break a gentleman's agreement they had all season in Hungary qualifying (again it is Hamilton stirring). The fall out is well documented but with the team principle coming out with statements like "we were racing fernando" it is not exactly hard to see where the backing was going. Obviously suspicions were aroused enough for the FIA to step in and appoint a steward to ensure parity.
The cars may look the same but there are tiny critical things that can affect performance a whole load like camber angles, engine mapping, gear ratios, tyre pressures, damping etc. Rest assured McLaren would undoubtedly have taken all the steps they could to ensure that Fernando would not br taking the No1 with him when he moved from the team
Edit: I will link to you what Andrew Benson had to say about Monaco 2007 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2010/05/alonso_overreaching_in_reargua.html
and copy and paste also
"Alonso's last victory in Monaco was in 2007, and it was the event that marked the beginning of the end of his relationship with McLaren and their former team principal Ron Dennis.
That race is remembered as one that Alonso won thanks to team orders, after McLaren told team-mate Lewis Hamilton to slow down and not challenge Alonso for the victory.
But that reading is wrong.
This has never come out before, but it was Dennis's actions after that race that so angered Alonso, and which convinced him the team would always be behind Hamilton and not him. That was the backdrop to the tumultuous fall-out that enveloped McLaren and Alonso as that famous 'spy-gate' summer unfolded.
As a McLaren insider revealed to me: "Fernando won in Monaco fair and square in 2007.
"Lewis was generally quicker through the weekend, but in qualifying Fernando did it and Lewis didn't. Lewis was quicker in the first run but then he made mistakes and Fernando got pole.
"Fernando won the race because he pulled an 11-second gap in the first stint when Lewis had (tyre) graining and after that Fernando was just cruising because we had rear brake issues.
"But after the race, Ron said to Fernando: 'Be nice to Lewis because we had to (pit) stop him early.' And Fernando said: 'What do you mean? I was just cruising.'
"He got very annoyed about that because it was like Ron saying we handed you the victory. Even after that, the relationship was unrecoverable."
Alonso might be over-reaching in his attempts to take the Ferrari to places where it should not be, but there seems no chance of his relationship with his new team deteriorating in the same way."
JC, remember that Prost was normally setting up for a race not qualifying
Truth is i wasn't even alive when that was happening.It wasn't a "look how badly prost was beaten". Thats not my point. From the right angle the very close battle they had can appear one-sided and of course the more direct point about how being beaten by the best dose not make you a bad drive who should run and hide. I confess that i phrased that post wrong and i will edit it shortly.
Neither was I
But from internet and books, evidence shows Prost was a race setting up person. And Senna for 1 lap. I know what you were saying to him aswell
Speaking about quali and 4-1 Does this mean that Alonso and Kovalainen and Rosberg(?) Are the best drivers on the grid? As they are 5-0? And they are going to get 19-0 at the end of the season? No. I would advise you all to just not argue with the idiot.
But from internet and books, evidence shows Prost was a race setting up person. And Senna for 1 lap. I know what you were saying to him aswell
Speaking about quali and 4-1 Does this mean that Alonso and Kovalainen and Rosberg(?) Are the best drivers on the grid? As they are 5-0? And they are going to get 19-0 at the end of the season? No. I would advise you all to just not argue with the idiot.
Quickly looked thru the posts, mostly bickering if am honest......
Jenson Button to Ferrari ?........ no.
Why would Ferrari want him in the first place ?
Alonso is locked in for another 5 yrs (?), if and when Massa leaves they'll employ a promising, young protege surely ?
Jenson Button to Ferrari ?........ no.
Why would Ferrari want him in the first place ?
Alonso is locked in for another 5 yrs (?), if and when Massa leaves they'll employ a promising, young protege surely ?
I still can't see it, even if JA thinks it's an outside bet. It'd look good on Button's CV though. How he'd've turned his career around after those stupid contract wranglings and years driving crap cars at the back of the field.