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It gives a good indication that if you are top and 3 points clear of the play-off places after 24 games then you are in a good position for automatic promotion. What was the situation after 29 games which is where we will be before the end of January?
Any team can lose form, or lose key players to injury/suspension, there's absolutely no guarantees, it's only where we are in May that will decide anything.
And that will remain the case, however many ways you try and spin it.
I think with around 5 months of higher wages (not a few weeks) and a signing on fee they'd be looking at being better off by a 6 figure sum just 'til the end of the season and then that higher wage is guaranteed for another year or two whereas there is a risk we might not go up at all.
Really, nil? What was the big fall out? I thought after he left West Ham, Mo said something like "I would have been signed by a top four club by now if I hadn't been played wide the last few months" and Sam replied with "He lost form in the middle position and didn't kick on from a great first season, his contract was ending in 18 months and Hull came in and wanted him to play in the middle, so it was good business all round, Mo gets what he wants now"?
That's far from unrecoverable, especially in football. If that's all it was, like.
Why does another 5 games make a difference? Ipswich were right on Bournemouth's tail and they didn't get promoted. The table in January means **** all. Unless you play in Belgium.
Ten Tigers out of contract next summer
Rick Skelton sheds light on a potential major issue for City.
For all the good things going on around Hull City at the moment – there is a potentially ugly situation lurking in the background.
Since the Allams purchased the club in 2010 their footballing decisions have been immeasurably better than those made in the boardroom. However one area they have struggled with – or simply do not place importance on – is the renewal of contracts. Only a handful of players including James Chester, Liam Rosenior and Alex Bruce have had their deals renewed since the Allams arrived.
Matt Fryatt and Stephen Quinn have walked away in the past two summers and others such as James Chester and Robbie Brady have had to be sold because the single year remaining on their contracts has left the club unprotected.
The situation looks set to be worse than ever this summer with ten senior players out of contract. Given the individual circumstances surrounding each player, the reduced wages currently being paid and the uncertainty over the level of income the club will receive next season – there isn’t a simple answer.
Here’s a look at the ten players in question:
Ahmed Elmohamady
It’s hard to imagine a City team without “Elmo”. He’s become a fixture of the team for the better part of three years and his energy, athleticism and versatility make him a vital part of the team. The word is that he changed his agent in the summer and, despite him making signs of his happiness in Hull, his manager felt his “head had been turned” by transfer speculation.
Securing Elmo should be number one on the club’s priority list. He’s often the best attacking weapon in the team and it would be a major blow to lose a player of his quality. Either for nothing at the end of the season or more worryingly – for a relatively small fee in January. Elmo’s low risk and large reward.
David Meyler
His contribution has often been under-valued since he joined City from Sunderland along with Elmo in the autumn of 2012. It seems some feel that City have achieved promotion, survival, a Wembley final and European football in spite of a player who has clocked up a hundred appearances in black and amber without ever letting anyone down. Hopefully the team’s resurgence in the past few weeks since Meyler and the returning Jake Livermore revitalised our midfield has made admirers out of some doubters.
Meyler is settled at City and always committed. He’s nowhere near the highest earner and, most importantly, he’s worth having whether City stay in the Championship or get promoted again. There’s no excuse for not sorting this one out ASAP.
Curtis Davies
Davies’ return to the kind of form he showed during his brilliant first season in Hull has put the club in a position no-one expected last summer. After that superb debut season, the big central half quickly fell from grace. Some pointed to his disappointment at not being offered a new contract in the summer of 2014 while I always felt the arrival of Michael Dawson on the sort of money Davies was hankering for pushed his nose out of joint.
Whatever the reason, he disappointed massively last season and spent half of it as a mere spectator. He’s turned that around since the departure of James Chester opened up a major role for him again and has reminded everyone of just how good he is. Whether he’ll now stay beyond the summer is doubtful though. He’s commented openly about the lack of a contract offer from the club and doesn’t appear to feel particularly wanted. He has elements of his life down South and in the Midlands and I think he’ll move on.
Tom Huddlestone
The enigma. How on earth a player with the natural ability Huddlestone possesses has ended up in the Championship is a quandary. That he’s currently struggling to get a game at this level, albeit in what is currently the best team, is mystifying. However that is the situation he finds himself in and no-one who has watched him regularly for the last twenty-two months would offer any sort of argument against it being completely just.
His contractual situation isn’t a simple one for either party. City wouldn’t want Huddlestone’s wage on the books if they remain in the Championship and it’s debatable whether they’d see him as a worthwhile investment in the Premier League these days. Tom isn’t going to sign a deal on the reduced wages he and his team mates currently find themselves. Sadly it seems inevitable that they’ll part ways in June. Tom should have been the most talented player any of us had ever seen represent The Tigers. Shoulda. Coulda. Wouldn’t.
Allan McGregor
Another whose City career has been revitalised after a poor season last time and an appalling start to the current one. He tested Steve Bruce’s management and the gaffer showed faith in him when he needed it and has been rewarded. In August, McGregor’s standing amongst City fans ranged somewhere between Paul Duffen and Mark Hateley. However since he re-found the form that had fans purring two years ago – we’ve formed a case of mass amnesia.
Even a month ago I doubted whether anyone, fans or management, cared whether he left in the summer. There’ll be very few now who feel that way. He’s another for whom the situation isn’t simple. He’s on reduced money and probably has one decent move in him before he spends a decade wandering the six yard boxes of the Outer Hebrides or wherever it is that Rangers are playing that week. I think he’ll only stay if City are promoted.
Eldin Jakupovic
This season’s penalty hero has never made a big impression on Steve Bruce and never got a sniff of the first team in the league even with Allan McGregor’s troubles this season. He is a cheap and cheerful back-up goalie though and there’s a good chance he’ll be offered something. Especially if City are promoted and look to carry three ‘keepers again. He may fancy going somewhere he might actually play though.
Sone Aluko
Once the most exciting member of The Tigers’ forward line, Aluko has struggled for form and fitness for the better part of three seasons. Having made such an explosive start to his career here, it will be a shame to see it go out with a whimper but his bit-part role doesn’t do much to suggest that keeping him beyond the end of the season is on anyone’s agenda.
He had a chance to make an impact after relegation with the club playing at a level at which we’ve all seen him excel. He’s not grasped the mettle and it’s hard to make a case for him doing so at this point.
Ryan Taylor
When he joined in the summer everyone was worried about his fitness coming off two serious knee injuries. That hasn’t been a problem so far. He’s just struggled to get into the team. Taylor is known for his versatility but at the moment, he’s just not as good as someone else in several positions. He’s the wrong side of thirty and, in truth, has been one of the poorest signings Steve Bruce has made here.
Calaum Jahraldo-Martin & Conor Townsend
The summer could be the end of the line for exciting winger CJM and athletic left-back Townsend. Both turn 23 before the end of the season and despite strong performances for the club’s U21 side and never letting anyone down during fleeting first team appearances both are as far from a senior breakthrough as ever.
Sadly we’re at the stage where both need to move on and find regular first-team action if they aren’t going to get it at City. Townsend has been unlucky not to have had an opportunity before now and you certainly feel like if it was going to happen for him then it would have been earlier this season when The Tigers’ squad was paper-thin.
First posted on Tiger Chat
http://hullcitysupporterstrust.com/ten-tigers-out-of-contract-next-summer/?
Rick Skelton sheds light on a potential major issue for City.
For all the good things going on around Hull City at the moment – there is a potentially ugly situation lurking in the background.
Since the Allams purchased the club in 2010 their footballing decisions have been immeasurably better than those made in the boardroom. However one area they have struggled with – or simply do not place importance on – is the renewal of contracts. Only a handful of players including James Chester, Liam Rosenior and Alex Bruce have had their deals renewed since the Allams arrived.
Matt Fryatt and Stephen Quinn have walked away in the past two summers and others such as James Chester and Robbie Brady have had to be sold because the single year remaining on their contracts has left the club unprotected.
The situation looks set to be worse than ever this summer with ten senior players out of contract. Given the individual circumstances surrounding each player, the reduced wages currently being paid and the uncertainty over the level of income the club will receive next season – there isn’t a simple answer.
Here’s a look at the ten players in question:
Ahmed Elmohamady
It’s hard to imagine a City team without “Elmo”. He’s become a fixture of the team for the better part of three years and his energy, athleticism and versatility make him a vital part of the team. The word is that he changed his agent in the summer and, despite him making signs of his happiness in Hull, his manager felt his “head had been turned” by transfer speculation.
Securing Elmo should be number one on the club’s priority list. He’s often the best attacking weapon in the team and it would be a major blow to lose a player of his quality. Either for nothing at the end of the season or more worryingly – for a relatively small fee in January. Elmo’s low risk and large reward.
David Meyler
His contribution has often been under-valued since he joined City from Sunderland along with Elmo in the autumn of 2012. It seems some feel that City have achieved promotion, survival, a Wembley final and European football in spite of a player who has clocked up a hundred appearances in black and amber without ever letting anyone down. Hopefully the team’s resurgence in the past few weeks since Meyler and the returning Jake Livermore revitalised our midfield has made admirers out of some doubters.
Meyler is settled at City and always committed. He’s nowhere near the highest earner and, most importantly, he’s worth having whether City stay in the Championship or get promoted again. There’s no excuse for not sorting this one out ASAP.
Curtis Davies
Davies’ return to the kind of form he showed during his brilliant first season in Hull has put the club in a position no-one expected last summer. After that superb debut season, the big central half quickly fell from grace. Some pointed to his disappointment at not being offered a new contract in the summer of 2014 while I always felt the arrival of Michael Dawson on the sort of money Davies was hankering for pushed his nose out of joint.
Whatever the reason, he disappointed massively last season and spent half of it as a mere spectator. He’s turned that around since the departure of James Chester opened up a major role for him again and has reminded everyone of just how good he is. Whether he’ll now stay beyond the summer is doubtful though. He’s commented openly about the lack of a contract offer from the club and doesn’t appear to feel particularly wanted. He has elements of his life down South and in the Midlands and I think he’ll move on.
Tom Huddlestone
The enigma. How on earth a player with the natural ability Huddlestone possesses has ended up in the Championship is a quandary. That he’s currently struggling to get a game at this level, albeit in what is currently the best team, is mystifying. However that is the situation he finds himself in and no-one who has watched him regularly for the last twenty-two months would offer any sort of argument against it being completely just.
His contractual situation isn’t a simple one for either party. City wouldn’t want Huddlestone’s wage on the books if they remain in the Championship and it’s debatable whether they’d see him as a worthwhile investment in the Premier League these days. Tom isn’t going to sign a deal on the reduced wages he and his team mates currently find themselves. Sadly it seems inevitable that they’ll part ways in June. Tom should have been the most talented player any of us had ever seen represent The Tigers. Shoulda. Coulda. Wouldn’t.
Allan McGregor
Another whose City career has been revitalised after a poor season last time and an appalling start to the current one. He tested Steve Bruce’s management and the gaffer showed faith in him when he needed it and has been rewarded. In August, McGregor’s standing amongst City fans ranged somewhere between Paul Duffen and Mark Hateley. However since he re-found the form that had fans purring two years ago – we’ve formed a case of mass amnesia.
Even a month ago I doubted whether anyone, fans or management, cared whether he left in the summer. There’ll be very few now who feel that way. He’s another for whom the situation isn’t simple. He’s on reduced money and probably has one decent move in him before he spends a decade wandering the six yard boxes of the Outer Hebrides or wherever it is that Rangers are playing that week. I think he’ll only stay if City are promoted.
Eldin Jakupovic
This season’s penalty hero has never made a big impression on Steve Bruce and never got a sniff of the first team in the league even with Allan McGregor’s troubles this season. He is a cheap and cheerful back-up goalie though and there’s a good chance he’ll be offered something. Especially if City are promoted and look to carry three ‘keepers again. He may fancy going somewhere he might actually play though.
Sone Aluko
Once the most exciting member of The Tigers’ forward line, Aluko has struggled for form and fitness for the better part of three seasons. Having made such an explosive start to his career here, it will be a shame to see it go out with a whimper but his bit-part role doesn’t do much to suggest that keeping him beyond the end of the season is on anyone’s agenda.
He had a chance to make an impact after relegation with the club playing at a level at which we’ve all seen him excel. He’s not grasped the mettle and it’s hard to make a case for him doing so at this point.
Ryan Taylor
When he joined in the summer everyone was worried about his fitness coming off two serious knee injuries. That hasn’t been a problem so far. He’s just struggled to get into the team. Taylor is known for his versatility but at the moment, he’s just not as good as someone else in several positions. He’s the wrong side of thirty and, in truth, has been one of the poorest signings Steve Bruce has made here.
Calaum Jahraldo-Martin & Conor Townsend
The summer could be the end of the line for exciting winger CJM and athletic left-back Townsend. Both turn 23 before the end of the season and despite strong performances for the club’s U21 side and never letting anyone down during fleeting first team appearances both are as far from a senior breakthrough as ever.
Sadly we’re at the stage where both need to move on and find regular first-team action if they aren’t going to get it at City. Townsend has been unlucky not to have had an opportunity before now and you certainly feel like if it was going to happen for him then it would have been earlier this season when The Tigers’ squad was paper-thin.
First posted on Tiger Chat
http://hullcitysupporterstrust.com/ten-tigers-out-of-contract-next-summer/?
Is it a real problem, some will stay some will go depending on which league we are in next season and depending on choice on either side. Surely it is all part of the natural cycle of wastage and renewal, which is always ongoing in football. Admittedly some may go before the end of the season, but have we really missed any of the recently departed players.
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If we go up, then there's only Elmo that I'd want to keep out of this 10, but we have Snodgrass to cover that position anyway
I'd keep Meyler, Davies & McG too, maybe Hudds, that's obviously if they'd agree to it! First choice or back up I'd be happy to have them in the squad!
I'd keep Huddlestone, Elmo and McGregor. If Jakupovic is happy to stay as 3rd choice then he can stay as well. If we get promoted then I'd put a hold on Meyler; he didn't impress me at all in the Premier League and I think the Championship is his level. Granted, he's having a good season so far, but I don't want another Premier League season where the replacements for our first team players are Championship standard and are still here because they have every single attribute under the sun except footballing ability.
I'm happy for him to be in the team at the moment mind, I just don't think he's a Premier League quality player.
I'm happy for him to be in the team at the moment mind, I just don't think he's a Premier League quality player.
Well it tells you something surely?
Two of the promoted teams were already in the top 6 and the other team was in seventh. Indicating that possibly you'd be better to be in the mix in January if you want to go up in May.
At the other end the bottom 3 were all in the bottom 3 by the end of January.
Being top in January isn't a nailed on for anything, although it didn't hurt Bournemouth, but if your not at least in the top 3rd then you'll most likely not be getting automatic promotion come May.
I am certainly not being naïve and obviously our players will create some interest as we are top of the championship. I doubt any of our players want to leave a promotion club for another relegation scrap.
However,
What is going on at the club now and the extreme desire to right last seasons relegation is massive.
I am happy to wait until the January transfer window closes on Feb 2nd 2016 when we can see who has got it right.
We should remember a fair few of our players financially well off! So it would have to be a very good deal for them to leave a potential league winners medal behind? Hopefully we'll still be too in late jan and no one leaves we dont want to?
Looking forward to January to see what other madness goes on elsewhere. It should be great fun watching.
Panic to stay in the PL and Panic to get into it. It may well be too late for a couple of PL clubs mind by Jan.
Panic to stay in the PL and Panic to get into it. It may well be too late for a couple of PL clubs mind by Jan.
Points total for a start.
We could already have the 3 relegated clubs come May in situ already.
Points total for a start.
We could already have the 3 relegated clubs come May in situ already.
Nobody is relegated in January. You only have to look at Leicester to see that. None of the teams are currently cut adrift and if they aren't then they'll be circling our players. There's just as much chance of us falling away as there is a team staying up, players know that and fans should too.
Who knows what points they will have come Jan. I said ""could be" not would be.!!
Let them circle our players. Unlike some on here that issue does not concern me at all. We only have to worry IF we fall away, which we wont. Our squad is way too good to throw away all the work that has been done so far. Capt Dawson for one wont let that happen.
Admit defeat now, at least one player will leave in January!I am certainly not being naïve and obviously our players will create some interest as we are top of the championship. I doubt any of our players want to leave a promotion club for another relegation scrap.
However,
What is going on at the club now and the extreme desire to right last seasons relegation is massive.
I am happy to wait until the January transfer window closes on Feb 2nd 2016 when we can see who has got it right.
