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  1. Barchullona

    Barchullona Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention how many players have improved immeasurably under Guardiola. The other week they started with 8 players who were already there when he joined the club. Most managers couldn't build a team and get them playing the way Guardiola does even if given the same amount of money to spend as he has done.
     
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  2. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    I used Jose at Inter as an example of what you can do by picking up players that nobody else wants when you’re on a tight budget and subsequently winning every single competition the team entered despite being the oldest professional squad in Europe that year. He also did it at Porto. I never mentioned him at Man Utd.

    Pep has only ever worked at clubs with unlimited budgets and everyone puts their **** sock on for him. When he wins at a club with a low budget I’ll happily don my sock too.
     
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    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Who has improved immeasurably?

    Interesting that Bayern were much better before he joined, but nobody mentions that.
     
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    Stirling.
     
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  5. Barchullona

    Barchullona Well-Known Member

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    Sterling obviously. And De Bruyne wasn't the force he is now. And there are others.

    I see Inter continued to underwhelm against my favourite Italian side today.
     
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  6. HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)

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    That's not his job though is it? He's the manager big clubs get in when they want to win trophys and play great football. He's good enough at his job that he doesn't get fired and have to make do with the lesser jobs.

    People assume a big budget makes it easy, and it does when it comes to signing players but that's about it, many managers have had his budgets come nowhere close to building the teams he does.

    I'll accept that he hasn't proven himself with a limited budget, although he hasn't ever needed to, if that makes him less worthy of praise from you then so be it, in my opinion and most others the praise he gets is fully justified.
     
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  7. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. I imagine when City shelled out £100m for these 2 players they no doubt thought “well they’re **** now, but let’s pay this £100m just on the off chance we manage to hire Pep and then he’ll really get them playing.”
     
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  8. GLP

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    This will soon get the page count rocketing.
     
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  9. HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)

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    Sterling should have been a world beater from day one right? All you have to do is spend the money on players and you'll be successful?

    He was awful when he first signed, which proves two things, first, not everyone can have an unlimited budget and be a great manager, secondly, Pep has more to him than just buying players, he's also a very good coach.

    It's one thing to spend £100 million on two players, it's another getting £100 million worth of performances out of them.
     
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  10. lewisc29

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    Numerous players have improved this year. Stones, Otamendi, De Bruyne, Sterling, Sane, Silva (not the best last year).
     
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  11. bum_chinned_crab

    bum_chinned_crab Well-Known Member

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    You’d almost think Pep only joined in the summer...

    And of course young players are going to ****ing improve. Take Sterling for example, when they made him a ridiculously expensive signing it was cos he was brilliant but raw and inconsistent. I would’ve said his improvement is down to becoming more experienced rather than ****ing wizard-like coaching. If we’re praising Pep for him then why aren’t we praising Jose for Lingard in exactly the same way? And we’re just ignoring that Sterling didn’t improve in his first season under Pep are we?

    As for De Bruyne, he was ****ing brilliant for Wolfsburg and when he first signed for City and then he got a serious injury. He hasn’t improved this season at all, he’s just come back to what he was!

    Silva wasn’t the best last season in your own words. Why was that then? Can’t be the coach...
     
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  12. Chazz Rheinhold

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    Interesting article in the guardian about mourinho.
    Do you agree with this bit bummers?

    He is simply at the wrong kind of club, struggling with an ill-fitting loss of scale.The truth of his two-stage elite level career. Mourinho has been afflicted with a version of the Peter Principle ever since he left Inter for Real Madrid. The thing he is unarguably brilliant at, the source of his two great triumphs in the Champions League, is urging a middleweight top-tier power to heavyweight glory, bending an ambitious bunch of players to his will, with no pressure to do anything other than organise and win and gloat, handsomely, his own star player throughout.
     
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  13. BlackAndAmberGambler

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    Stones??? Do me a favour.
     
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  14. HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)

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    You don't have to think he's the best coach in the world, you don't even even have to like him but you seem determined to undermine or play down anything he does, I get that you're trying to go against the grain and that the endless sycophantic praise does get nauseous after a while but credit where it's due he is a very good manager.

    Jose deserves praise for bringing on Lingard, absolutely, but he is also struggling to get a team comparative expense playing any where near the level that Pep has at Man City.

    At the end of the day you're in a minority, the players and coaches that work with him and the experts that watch him all praise his ability, if he doesn't have your respect then i'm sure he won't be losing any sleep.
     
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    I did not think he’s struggling at all, he’s doing much better than their last 2 managers.
     
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  16. Mr Hatem

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    We need to talk about Haddock vs Cod on this thread.
     
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  17. look_back_in_amber

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    It's definitely not the plaice.
     
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  18. GLP

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    We'll get battered.
     
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  19. Mr Hatem

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    or curry sauced
     
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  20. GLP

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    Crumbs!
     
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