Transfer Rumours January Transfer Thread

[Ajbtiger]

Could these discussions with Tan have happened more organically? I struggle with the idea of a player on a 6-month loan, scoring goals, then seeking out talks with Tan at the first sign of adversity.

 

[Howdentiger2]

Whatever you choose to do in the privacy of your own home…

Sunday funday.....

 

[Kalman]

What I (and a couple of others on here) was told:

There were a couple of disgruntled voices in the dressing room a few weeks ago when we were playing poorly, mainly due to the fact that the system wasn't fluid enough and LR was over egging the pudding in terms of micromanaging during games and training. Morton wasn't happy that he was randomly dropped, despite not losing form and Carvalho wasn't happy with not being allowed to adapt mid game to a defensive tactical switch because it all had to go through LR and ensure the system remained in place.

A few of the players went to Tan, who then spoke to the collective group, LR and Justin Walker included. Air was cleared, LR agreed to be more flexible and to let the lads play their game, TK was complimentary of LR and said that his attention to detail was a positive trait but that part of being a good leader is listening to feedback from the team you lead. Which is why we have suddenly seen an upturn in form. Interesting if true.

I think our recent upturn in performance stems from the fact that the playoffs are pretty much unrealistic, so we've been able to play with a lot less pressure and expectation on our shoulders. Suppose both could be the case.

Yes, this is what I’ve heard as well but I wasn’t told which players went to Tan to voice their concerns/grievances/whatever.

Someone on here (forget who) responded to one of my posts after the QPR game where I said that Rosenior suddenly had a lightbulb in head moment regarding our style of play and that poster said something along the lines of ‘how do you know Rosenior has changed tactics/mentality instead of the players finally following his instructions correctly?’. I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that in the year and a half of Rosenior being manager, it has been the players not adhering to his tactics that caused our dire style of play, especially at home, and that they suddenly got it right in the last few games. The change in performances was clearly due to Rosenior holding his hands up and allowing the players to play with more freedom. There’s still Rosenior’s tactical vision of possession football, playing out from the back etc. but it has noticeably become more fluid recently. Our possession stats in the last few games have gone down from the usual 60+% to around 50-55%, even against weaker teams like Cardiff and QPR, but we are more brave in possession, more direct, higher tempo and more fluid.

I hope this is a lesson learned for Rosenior and if we continue with these strong performances, even if we miss out on play-offs which is likely, then I’m more confident in him still being manager come summer than I was several weeks ago. I do think Tan, the squad, Rosenior and the rest of the coaching staff having this ‘clearing the air’ meeting is good for all the staff and the club in general.

 

[Steven Toast]

Yes, this is what I’ve heard as well but I wasn’t told which players went to Tan to voice their concerns/grievances/whatever.

Someone on here (forget who) responded to one of my posts after the QPR game where I said that Rosenior suddenly had a lightbulb in head moment regarding our style of play and that poster said something along the lines of ‘how do you know Rosenior has changed tactics/mentality instead of the players finally following his instructions correctly?’. I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that in the year and a half of Rosenior being manager, it has been the players not adhering to his tactics that caused our dire style of play, especially at home, and that they suddenly got it right in the last few games. The change in performances was clearly due to Rosenior holding his hands up and allowing the players to play with more freedom. There’s still Rosenior’s tactical vision of possession football, playing out from the back etc. but it has noticeably become more fluid recently. Our possession stats in the last few games has gone down from the usual 60+% to around 50-55%, even against weaker teams like Cardiff and QPR, but we are more brave in possession, more direct, higher tempo and more fluid.

I hope this is a lesson learned for Rosenior and if we continue with these strong performances, even if we miss out on play-offs which is likely, then I’m more confident in him still being manager come summer than I was several weeks ago. I do think Tan, the squad, Rosenior and the rest of the coaching staff having this ‘clearing the air’ meeting is good for all the staff and the club in general.

It wasn't just those two, there were others, but I don't want to make out like it was a full on revolt because it wasn't. They also brought up about the training camps in Turkey and that they felt quite punishing, but it was pointed out that the fitness levels of the group have never been higher. That shows, actually, we do play at a very high intensity level and even when our players start to look like they're flagging, they're still running up and down with bursts of speed. Coyle has definitely improved his stamina levels since Rosie took over, Tufan especially looks a completely different player.

 

[Tony Angelino]

Yes, this is what I’ve heard as well but I wasn’t told which players went to Tan to voice their concerns/grievances/whatever.

Someone on here (forget who) responded to one of my posts after the QPR game where I said that Rosenior suddenly had a lightbulb in head moment regarding our style of play and that poster said something along the lines of ‘how do you know Rosenior has changed tactics/mentality instead of the players finally following his instructions correctly?’. I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that in the year and a half of Rosenior being manager, it has been the players not adhering to his tactics that caused our dire style of play, especially at home, and that they suddenly got it right in the last few games. The change in performances was clearly due to Rosenior holding his hands up and allowing the players to play with more freedom. There’s still Rosenior’s tactical vision of possession football, playing out from the back etc. but it has noticeably become more fluid recently. Our possession stats in the last few games has gone down from the usual 60+% to around 50-55%, even against weaker teams like Cardiff and QPR, but we are more brave in possession, more direct, higher tempo and more fluid.

I hope this is a lesson learned for Rosenior and if we continue with these strong performances, even if we miss out on play-offs which is likely, then I’m more confident in him still being manager come summer than I was several weeks ago. I do think Tan, the squad, Rosenior and the rest of the coaching staff having this ‘clearing the air’ meeting is good for all the staff and the club in general.

Does this class as certain players been negative?

 

[NewcastleTiger]

Does this class as certain players been negative?

Questioning then Messiah

 

[NewcastleTiger]

I’m glad that Tan has seemingly resolved the situation in that manner. Great learning curve for all involved. Some players in the squad who’ve played under the best gaffers in the world so good to open the floor up occasionally and to have a positive resolution seemingly promotes a really healthy working relationship for us moving forward.

Hope we manage to retain at least one of the 3 loanees.

 

[jhe10]

That was Chair, another really good championship player. Slater has really helped us going forward in that right back role linking up with Omur. Does show Coyle’s limitations going forward because Slater just makes us so much better

Willock was nominally right side in the line up, but spent far more time on the left. In case my eyes were deceiving me, I checked the WhoScored heatmap which confirmed it.

 

[AlRawdah]

Yes, this is what I’ve heard as well but I wasn’t told which players went to Tan to voice their concerns/grievances/whatever.

Someone on here (forget who) responded to one of my posts after the QPR game where I said that Rosenior suddenly had a lightbulb in head moment regarding our style of play and that poster said something along the lines of ‘how do you know Rosenior has changed tactics/mentality instead of the players finally following his instructions correctly?’. I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that in the year and a half of Rosenior being manager, it has been the players not adhering to his tactics that caused our dire style of play, especially at home, and that they suddenly got it right in the last few games. The change in performances was clearly due to Rosenior holding his hands up and allowing the players to play with more freedom. There’s still Rosenior’s tactical vision of possession football, playing out from the back etc. but it has noticeably become more fluid recently. Our possession stats in the last few games has gone down from the usual 60+% to around 50-55%, even against weaker teams like Cardiff and QPR, but we are more brave in possession, more direct, higher tempo and more fluid.

I hope this is a lesson learned for Rosenior and if we continue with these strong performances, even if we miss out on play-offs which is likely, then I’m more confident in him still being manager come summer than I was several weeks ago. I do think Tan, the squad, Rosenior and the rest of the coaching staff having this ‘clearing the air’ meeting is good for all the staff and the club in general.

Wow. Turns out I dreamt that marvellous win away at Southampton.

 

[Off The Line]

Wow. Turns out I dreamt that marvellous win away at Southampton.

I think that the players go so anxious going into that game that they forgot what they were supposed to do, tactically, and went with what they felt at the time, hence the amount of freedom they able to play with. LR soon knocked it back into them in time for the next game.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Could these discussions with Tan have happened more organically? I struggle with the idea of a player on a 6-month loan, scoring goals, then seeking out talks with Tan at the first sign of adversity.

Adversity?
Probably frustration just like most of us on here.
Sounds clear it was actually several players.
Anyway, it seems we now have our answer as to what's happened.

 

[Kalman]

Wow. Turns out I dreamt that marvellous win away at Southampton.

Not sure what your point is. I was told some players weren’t happy with certain aspects of Rosenior’s tactics. Howden used the term ‘over-coaching’ which is apt as what I heard was that some of the players felt they were being coached like little kids. Senior professional footballers don’t need to be told the exact place they need to stand for throw-ins and if they do, they shouldn’t be playing at this level. The phrase I heard from my mate was some of the players felt ‘condescended’ by Rosenior’s explanation of tactics at times. A lot of our players are full internationals, have played for big clubs in Europe and without sounding harsh to Rosenior, have played at a higher level than him already in their careers. They can be told to play a certain way but they don’t need to be told how to actually play football. We have a lot of talented players in our squad and the coaching staff need to find the balance between instructing them to play a certain way with a clear vision/philosophy whilst also giving them the freedom to execute it and use their intuition during passages of play. Hopefully, that is now starting to click.

What I noticed is that Tufan had zero assists in his entire time here until recently. He’s scored goals, some great ones in fact, as well as penalties but he never had any assists until Cardiff and QPR recently. His link-up play with Carvalho and Ömür in particular has been phenomenal in the last few games. If you let these clearly-talented players have some freedom on the pitch, they will play entertaining football.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

Going to be tough saying goodbye to team of the season overrated Greaves is summer.

Madrid or Bayern

 

[look_back_in_amber]

Going to be tough saying goodbye to team of the season overrated Greaves is summer.

Madrid or Bayern

I’ve read this three times, and I still don’t get it.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

This talk comparing Morton to Adam Wharton's fee seems to ignore that it always costs more to get a star player from a smaller club to move up than it does to get a minor player off the books of a big club. Morton wouldn't cost what Wharton did for that reason.

Is that true? Liverpool always get top dollar - look at Jordan Ibe, Solanke, etc.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

It wasn't just those two, there were others, but I don't want to make out like it was a full on revolt because it wasn't. They also brought up about the training camps in Turkey and that they felt quite punishing, but it was pointed out that the fitness levels of the group have never been higher. That shows, actually, we do play at a very high intensity level and even when our players start to look like they're flagging, they're still running up and down with bursts of speed. Coyle has definitely improved his stamina levels since Rosie took over, Tufan especially looks a completely different player.

I know there was talk early in the season that Traore was unhappy with the levels required in pre-season, but I think of all the criticisms levelled at LR this year, it is indisputable that he has done quite well in turning our injury record around, and a large part of that has to be the way we prepared the squad in pre-season.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Not sure what your point is. I was told some players weren’t happy with certain aspects of Rosenior’s tactics. Howden used the term ‘over-coaching’ which is apt as what I heard was that some of the players felt they were being coached like little kids. Senior professional footballers don’t need to be told the exact place they need to stand for throw-ins and if they do, they shouldn’t be playing at this level. The phrase I heard from my mate was some of the players felt ‘condescended’ by Rosenior’s explanation of tactics at times. A lot of our players are full internationals, have played for big clubs in Europe and without sounding harsh to Rosenior, have played at a higher level than him already in their careers. They can be told to play a certain way but they don’t need to be told how to actually play football. We have a lot of talented players in our squad and the coaching staff need to find the balance between instructing them to play a certain way with a clear vision/philosophy whilst also giving them the freedom to execute it and use their intuition during passages of play. Hopefully, that is now starting to click.

What I noticed is that Tufan had zero assists in his entire time here until recently. He’s scored goals, some great ones in fact, as well as penalties but he never had any assists until Cardiff and QPR recently. His link-up play with Carvalho and Ömür in particular has been phenomenal in the last few games. If you let these clearly-talented players have some freedom on the pitch, they will play entertaining football.

He's also not been starting much recently in favour of Zaroury. I'm not sure he's actually had that much time on the pitch with Carvalho and Omur - I think a lot of the time it's been him off for Omur on or vice versa - so think that's as much to do with it as anything.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

I’ve read this three times, and I still don’t get it.

Greaves who was inducted into the team of the season is regularly called overrated on the board, it will be tough saying goodbye to him when he leaves for bigger things in summer

 

[Shark Sports]

Greaves who was inducted into the team of the season is regularly called overrated on the board, it will be tough saying goodbye to him when he leaves for bigger things in summer

It would've been a piss-take if he wasn't in it. Looking at any of the stats websites and he's been the highest rated CB in the league.

Jaden's a tad unlucky too, he'd probably have been in if he didn't get injured.

 

[Tigerboy98]

Sounds like bullshit to me

Morton’s form did drop so he definitely deserved being dropped IMO

Players whinging about working hard in Turkey? Aw let me just get the worlds smallest violin out for them

Played at a higher level than LR? Name one player in the squad that has 141 premier league appearances, 219 championship appearances, and played in an FA Cup final?

We’ve had great games and **** games randomly all season, I don’t think there’s been a sudden lightbulb moment or player revolt, they’re just getting better playing as a team the longer they play together.

And there’s no way a player at the start of his career (A LOAN PLAYER TOO) has gone behind the managers back to speak to the director to complain about the style of play and to slag off the manager.