January transfer thread

[Yes but no but]

Low enough that he thought retiring and ripping up that contract was worth doing

He wasn't going to do that if we were paying him bucketloads. It was clearly a move about playing time (which he didnt get) rather than money

Don’t think it was about playing time, cos he hasn’t kicked a ball since.

 

[Southern A]

Don’t think it was about playing time, cos he hasn’t kicked a ball since.

It was clearly about playing time. He didn't get it, so he retired.

If he was coming for the money, he wouldn't have ripped up the contract and retired mid-season would he?

 

[Yes but no but]

It was clearly about playing time. He didn't get it, so he retired.

If he was coming for the money, he wouldn't have ripped up the contract and retired mid-season would he?

Ok I get that, but if it was solely about playing time then surely he would have just carried on playing after he tore his contract up with us?

 

[Southern A]

Ok I get that, but if it was solely about playing time then surely he would have just carried on playing after he tore his contract up with us?

He wouldn't have been able to sign for anybody else until this summer anyway as we held his registration. Seems pretty clear to me he quickly found out he'd "lost it" and didn't want to lower himself further down than the biggest club in League One. He wanted his big goodbye with us and didn't get the playing time. If it was for a final payday he'd have kept sitting on the bench pocketing the cash.

 

[Yes but no but]

He wouldn't have been able to sign for anybody else until this summer anyway as we held his registration. Seems pretty clear to me he quickly found out he'd "lost it" and didn't want to lower himself further down than the biggest club in League One. He wanted his big goodbye with us and didn't get the playing time. If it was for a final payday he'd have kept sitting on the bench pocketing the cash.

I’ve never once said it was his big pay day or he signed just for money, I’m saying he signed from rangers and a high profile signing, he would have been the highest paid in the league by a mile. Meaning, the club will be in the same position this year in the championship but at a higher level. Just hear people say the club pay buttons, like Pritchard is on 5k is madness.

 

[FellTop]

We wouldn't pay £24k per week. Not yet. Maybe a few seasons in to the championship as our income from transfers etc rises

Agree with that. I do think lads will be on more than £5k per week. Baath was on big money at Stoke by all accounts, he hasnt come here for £5k imo. Evans likely the same. Ross wont be our top earner, by any means imo. I dont think we go to £24k but the question is how close do we go. Would £15k do it I wonder, with release clauses. Would that be a figure the club can get to?

 

[Bob the Mackem]

I think a lot of you think we pay good proper wages, we don't, A decent journo printed a few weeks ago about 6 or 7 of our 1st team wages, and they were ****.
Please remember I quoted Pritchs wages from his 1st div contract they all got a decent rise for promotion.
I know AN would offer him a canny bit more than we will, but it's further south they want to be.

 

[TeamOfTalents]

I'd hardly call a journo doing that decent Bob

 

[Bob the Mackem]

Ok I get that, A well known journo

 

[Oliver's Army]

Agree with that. I do think lads will be on more than £5k per week. Baath was on big money at Stoke by all accounts, he hasnt come here for £5k imo. Evans likely the same. Ross wont be our top earner, by any means imo. I dont think we go to £24k but the question is how close do we go. Would £15k do it I wonder, with release clauses. Would that be a figure the club can get to?

Rossco will have been offered the maximum we can offer within the current structure imo. That's all we can do currently, if it's not enough then so be it and he moves on and a replacement comes in.

 

[Chunksafc]

I can't believe our wage structure is as tight as people are making out, Clarke, Roberts, Baath, Ballard, Cirkin won't have been on peanuts at their previous clubs. Would be very unusual if all of them had taken pay cuts to join us.

As others have said, I assume we have offered Stewart the most we can, if that's not enough then so be it.

Players come and players go, there will still be 11 lads that need our support every game

 

[Sunderpitt]

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[Southern A]

I can't believe our wage structure is as tight as people are making out, Clarke, Roberts, Baath, Ballard, Cirkin won't have been on peanuts at their previous clubs. Would be very unusual if all of them had taken pay cuts to join us.

As others have said, I assume we have offered Stewart the most we can, if that's not enough then so be it.

Players come and players go, there will still be 11 lads that need our support every game

I reckon we are paying up to £15k or so at the moment and can stretch to about £20-25k but Stewart wants about £30k. Guesswork of course

 

[Mackem 10.1]

I can't believe our wage structure is as tight as people are making out, Clarke, Roberts, Baath, Ballard, Cirkin won't have been on peanuts at their previous clubs. Would be very unusual if all of them had taken pay cuts to join us.

As others have said, I assume we have offered Stewart the most we can, if that's not enough then so be it.

Players come and players go, there will still be 11 lads that need our support every game

Don't think anyone on here knows what our wage structure is, like you have said some of those players won't be on small wages

 

[Blond Bombshell]

We won't get a like for like Stewart replacement, that's just the way it is.

Brentford are the perfect example of how this works.

In 2014 they paid £950k for Scott Hogan from Rochdale. 22 years old and had just scored 17 goals in League Two. Not a household name. 2 years later, they sold him (by this time their top scorer) to Villa for £9.5m. They weren't able to bring in a player who could provide the same goal threat that Hogan had, so they invested in 2 younger players instead.

21 year old Ollie Watkins (£6.5m from a League 2 club) was the main replacement - Hogan scored more goals in the Championship the year he was sold than Watkins scored in League 2. They spent the other £2m in an unknown 20 year old French lad who wasn't cutting it in the Saint Etienne team (Neal Maupay).

Maupay did well and was sold 2 years later for £15m. Watkins took 3 seasons of continuous improvement but eventually became a player that Villa paid £33m for.

When Brentford lost their main striker Maupay, they didn't spend £15m on a replacement or break the bank to try and get him to stay. They spent the money on 4 players - 19 year old Bryan Mbeumo, Ethan Pinnock, David Raya and Christian Norgaard.

When Watkins left (the same time as Benrahma) for a combined £60m, they spent less than £10m. Not on someone who had proven themselves in the Premier League or Championship. They spent it on 23 year old League One striker Ivan Toney.

Brentford didn't just sell their star striker once and replace them with someone less proven, they did it 3 times and also in multiple other areas of the pitch. The point being that selling Stewart won't be the end of the club and anyone we bring in needs to be given time. That's what the model is all about.

Best post on this thread, well researched Flash lad.

 

[Mackem 10.1]

That is our problem in a nutshell, but its £24000 p week we can't get anywhere near that.
Pritch was on £5000 p week now but IMHO he's offski

Why do people insist on guessing what players wages are.

 

[Mackem 10.1]

In the minutes quoted on here earlier, he says he'll only sell him if they have someone better lined up. That's quite a thing to say if it quickly turns out to be obviously not true. If not true, would have been better saying something like the usual, 'every player has his price and any funds raised will be reinvested'. Will be really interesting to see how this pans out.

A lot on here just sounds like the usual speculation because the window is approaching. Nobody knows if Stewart wants to stay or how much he wants, plus if we don't want to sell he still has 18mths left on his contract. I don't think he will go anywhere this window

 

[Bob the Mackem]

Why do people insist on guessing what players wages are.

Or if your told, and it's not a massive secret, then it's fine

 

[Mackem 10.1]

Ok.

Well you said he wants to sell him, how would you know that? I get people here some things, but speakman isn't going to make it public knowledge if he does want to sell him. Add to that that's the opposite of what KLD said

 

[Nacho]

I can't believe our wage structure is as tight as people are making out, Clarke, Roberts, Baath, Ballard, Cirkin won't have been on peanuts at their previous clubs. Would be very unusual if all of them had taken pay cuts to join us.

As others have said, I assume we have offered Stewart the most we can, if that's not enough then so be it.

Players come and players go, there will still be 11 lads that need our support every game

I imagine we're paying them the same as every other team around us is paying their players. Seems odd to assume otherwise. I know we're working on a budget (same as everyone else is) but it doesn't mean it's an ultra tight stingy one. Just a normal, sensible one.