Jake Livermore

TygerTyger said:
Your point is very valid. Most clubs in the Premier League just fall short of capacity. We get crowds of 24,000 because we have a capacity of 26,000. If we had a 40,000 seater we would, imo, get 38-39,000. We have proved many times, in the past, even in lower divisions, that we can get crowds of 40,000 if the entertainment is right.

As you say, think small, stay small.
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Yet we couldn't sell our allocation for a wembley semi final. Sorry we all thought like that once. Ain't gonna happen.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Yet we couldn't sell our allocation for a wembley semi final. Sorry we all thought like that once. Ain't gonna happen.
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Different thing altogether. Travel both ways, overnight accommodation, Over priced ticket and another the same a couple of weeks later. As opposed to home game, own bed, local pub etc. I have faith!
 
Other clubs have capacities that are made to match their fan base, not the other way around. The only way we would get significantly more than we already do is through huge price cuts which will not happen even if we get a bigger stadium.
 
cheshireles said:
If you believe we can fill a 40k capacity stadium week in and week out you are deluded; we can't fill a 25k capacity stadium week and week out!
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I think it would be difficult with the present owner and the attitude he has.

TygerTyger said:
We have proved many times, in the past, even in lower divisions, that we can get crowds of 40,000 if the entertainment is right.
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On the playing side of things a bigger squad with more competition would mean more reliable entertainment.
 
originallambrettaman said:
It should.
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I can't see the Allams (or anyone really) pumping money into building a new stadium to then lower ticket prices. The cost of the construction would be huge and almost certainly be passed on to the fans. Look at what has happened to the Arsenal prices since the move to the Emirates.
 
TygerTyger said:
Your point is very valid. Most clubs in the Premier League just fall short of capacity. We get crowds of 24,000 because we have a capacity of 26,000. If we had a 40,000 seater we would, imo, get 38-39,000. We have proved many times, in the past, even in lower divisions, that we can get crowds of 40,000 if the entertainment is right.

As you say, think small, stay small.
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We are playing in the biggest league in world football, the entertainment value doesn't get much better and still we have barely sold out any games this season. Times have changed, the wider community is less passionate about actually going to live games and most importantly the price has risen astronomically.
 
Willson said:
I can't see the Allams (or anyone really) pumping money into building a new stadium to then lower ticket prices. The cost of the construction would be huge and almost certainly be passed on to the fans. Look at what has happened to the Arsenal prices since the move to the Emirates.
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Aresenal's stadium is bought and paid for, it wasn't building it that makes their tickets so expensive, it's simply the fact that they can get away with charging what they do.

Make all kids a tenner and we'd soon up the numbers, whilst also securing the next generation of fans.
 
Willson said:
We are playing in the biggest league in world football, the entertainment value doesn't get much better and still we have barely sold out any games this season. Times have changed, the wider community is less passionate about actually going to live games and most importantly the price has risen astronomically.
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I thought we sold most available home seats most games? Wasn't it the away fans bringing the numbers down?

Remove the fence and improve the Police and stewards so it's more welcoming and we can spend less for greater income. <ok>
 
originallambrettaman said:
Aresenal's stadium is bought and paid for, it wasn't building it that makes their tickets so expensive, it's simply the fact that they can get away with charging what they do.

Make all kids a tenner and we'd soon up the numbers, whilst also securing the next generation of fans.
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That is the way to do it.
 
originallambrettaman said:
Aresenal's stadium is bought and paid for, it wasn't building it that makes their tickets so expensive, it's simply the fact that they can get away with charging what they do.

Make all kids a tenner and we'd soon up the numbers, whilst also securing the next generation of fans.
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A key point there, they charge what they can get away with. The like's of man city, Man u, Liverpool, Arsenal have had years of success and can fill their stadium's at almost any price. They even have waiting list's for season ticket's.
With us, it's hard to sell out 25,000 at last years price's. Bit harsh to kick those supporters you do have in the nut's with a 30% increase.
 
originallambrettaman said:
Aresenal's stadium is bought and paid for, it wasn't building it that makes their tickets so expensive, it's simply the fact that they can get away with charging what they do.

Make all kids a tenner and we'd soon up the numbers, whilst also securing the next generation of fans.
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Seriously, a tenner's a bit steep for a bloke taking two kids. Kids for a fiver ?
 
Mr. Hat:6556107 said:
Mac3 said:
Top post on here for months.

The amount of up their own arse comments about worthiness of other supporters to support our club gets on my nerves. The amount of times I've seen people complain about other supporters, who turn up every week, don't cause any trouble, pay their money and thoroughly enjoy themselves is ridiculous and incredibly narrow minded. Complaints include people using flasks, using blankets, wearing up-to-date replica shirts, people who go to the football with their dads, people who wear onesies, 'Weststanders' and many more. These are the same guys that say they know there are lots of other ways to earn the club money than change the name - all of which surely involves getting new people and building a fan base (like a few sensible posters have also pointed out on this post). To chastise these people who bring their money to OUR club is nonsensical.

New supporters shouldn't be seen as 'plastics' but welcomed to our club and may be they'll get further involved, the more that they feel part of our club. Success brings these people, along with other things, get over it... we need them to become more successful. They may bring their own kids, who become more fanatical about the club and hence, we build!

I realise this is my second rant on the issue but it was just nice to see someone who seems to be able to see past the snobbery and look to the bigger picture.
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There is no snobbery.

If you were an owner, or a regular client of an upmarket bar, you would not like that bar to be suddenly plagued by chavs and scallywags who are aggresive, lacking respect and tolerance and downright rude.

This is much the same with regards flask wielders, shirters, onesie wearers etc. they are a blight on the club and an embarrasment carefully picked out by tv cameras in attempt to heap shame on our club and mould public perception to hate us as a club of fake plastic fans who do not deserve to be in the greatest league in the world.

New supporters will always be welcomed but they should wear suitable football attire such as a Stone Island coat over a Fred Perry t-shirt and Levi jeans.
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Bloody plastics wear stone island ****e and Fred Perry's

REAL FANS wear Crombies / or Harrington Jackets

Ben Sherman's OR grandad vests.

Army boots or Docs
 
balkan tiger said:
A key point there, they charge what they can get away with. The like's of man city, Man u, Liverpool, Arsenal have had years of success and can fill their stadium's at almost any price. They even have waiting list's for season ticket's.
With us, it's hard to sell out 25,000 at last years price's. Bit harsh to kick those supporters you do have in the nut's with a 30% increase.
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Trouble is, we are in danger of sinking ourselves here. On the one hand we say "no" to a name change that Allam (rightly or wrongly) thought would bring in sponsorship. We say a price increase in line with other Premier League clubs is a kick in the nuts, but then we say we want 6 new players and to pay up to £8m for Jake Livermore. Sooner or later we have to pay the piper if we want to dance to the Premier League tune. The question is how?
 
The answer is have a richer owner or one who likes football enough that they are prepared to invest even more money.
 
Willson said:
We are playing in the biggest league in world football, the entertainment value doesn't get much better and still we have barely sold out any games this season. Times have changed, the wider community is less passionate about actually going to live games and most importantly the price has risen astronomically.
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Every match last season was within 2,000 of been sold out and in most cases the unsold seats were in the away end.
 
cheshireles said:
I have also been at City games when we have far exceeded what we get at present, but that's in the past; we don't get anywhere near 40k now. Unfortunately in general terms the cost of attending games by comparison say to the 'Boothferry Park days' is far greater. Its generally accepted that the game is moving away from the average 'man on the street' due to the cost of attending. If City can validate that it would be cost effective to build a 40k capacity stadium I for one would be delighted; we must be achieving something fantastic on the pitch. I think a case could be put together now to expand to around the c30k capacity. Its not about thinking small and staying small, its about getting a reasonable financial return on any investment to expand the stadium capacity without which it wouldn't make any sense at all!
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So you are agreeing with me that the KC Stadium is too small? I too think 30-35,000 would be suffient these days.
 
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