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So who is out there to replace him? SAFC has a very poor record when it comes to managers and a lot of reputations have been broken. What talented aspiring manager would risk it now? I think the takeover talks have unsettled everyone and it needs to be resolved quickly
I dont get this defeatist ' who would want the job' bilge.
It's a big job. A job with almost limitless potential. I'll go so far as to say even in this league it is bigger and better than any job in the c'ship and quite a few in the premier.
BSA arguably got the England gig based on what he did. Yes he left a bad taste with many but it was always his dream job.
For me I think ross has a blueprint of what a manager is or should be. But it is all show.
From the clothes, the cliches, the demeanour. It is all textbook stuff but it doesnt translate in the dressing room, the training pitch or the field . He wont deviate from that I think and fair play to him for sticking to whatever principles he has. Fact is it is not working here and he has failed and is continuing to fail.
For me it is a young manager ( assistant ) from the German or french leagues we should be going for . Dont know who they are but looking at what the barnsley and norwich men are doing what that bloke ( Wagner) at huddersfield did that is what we want. The stodgy repetitive british model isnt working.
 
Like I say, we signed Grigg and Wyke last season who offer nothing, especially with our ‘style’ of play. It seems they’ve been signed simply because they’ve scored goals in this league before.

It’d be interesting to know how much our scouting team has been cut back
Agree, I'm no expert but from watching one match Walker played last season for Mansfield I said he would have been ideal for us, would love to see the in depth scouting dossiers Coton and Hill have created while here
 
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I know I see it the the red and white tinted glasses but being our manager in the situation we are in is a hell of an opportunity.

A club on its knees, the chance to build us back into the premiership and achieve massive adulation.

Even getting if they get it wrong we hardly ever (never) have mass protests about it
 
I'll be honest when he arrived I was thinking "who?".

Then I watched the press conference, read the interviews and looked online and found his YouTube channel, and I thought "great! A young manager with progressive ideas who knows what's he's talking about and wants to play a pressing game and win by outscoring the opposition".

His first competitive match at the SOL against Charlton and we struggled first half but were completely different in the second.
I then saw an interview afterwards and he said:
"we were surprised at how Charlton set up specifically against us, so we changed things at half time to and you saw the results".

I have to admit I was impressed by his confidence, calmness and tactical ability, but to be honest after the first few months it's been a groundhog day of set up and tactics.
Something's happened to make him incredibly risk averse and he can't get out of it.

The gamble hasn't paid off in any sense at all. The fact that he won't even "back himself" by reverting to his attacking ethos speaks volumes to me.

For whatever reason he's unable to stop the slide and therefore totally out of his depth.

It always annoys me when this happens. I know it won't be as easy as it sounds but he must know that this risk averse style and constantly focusing on clean sheets that we can't keep will see him either sacked, or at least not have his contract renewed. If that was me I'd think "**** it, this is my last chance, let's just go for it". Instead he seems to be persisting with a style that has never really looked like getting us out of this league even when Maja was here never mind after he left
 
Agree, I'm no expert but from watching one match Walker played last season for Mansfield I said he would have been ideal for us, would love to see the in depth scouting dossiers Coton and Hill have created while here

I'm guessing cut and paste jobs.
 
Agree, I'm no expert but from watching one match Walker played last season for Mansfield I said he would have been ideal for us, would love to see the in depth scouting dossiers Coton and Hill have created while here
Amazing how much info you can write on a toffee wrapper
 
Confusing as it is, we have shown the qualities highlighted in your first paragraph, in the cup games but not the league where we have been abysmal, have you any thoughts here as I am at a lost to explain it.
Apologies for the highlighted bits just my way of attempting clarity, not meant to be anything else as I agree with all the points you make. Nice avatar <bubbly>.
No apologies needed mate.
Think this could be a couple of things

May be its down to being the underdog in the cup games which I can accept. The games will have a different feel about them.

However more worryingly maybe the players think they are better than they are and don't think they have to put in a shift against League one teams
but are happy to work hard when the Premiership media is watching. That would be unacceptable
 
No apologies needed mate.
Think this could be a couple of things

May be its down to being the underdog in the cup games which I can accept. The games will have a different feel about them.

However more worryingly maybe the players think they are better than they are and don't think they have to put in a shift against League one teams
but are happy to work hard when the Premiership media is watching. That would be unacceptable

That would explain a lot actually.
 
No apologies needed mate.
Think this could be a couple of things

May be its down to being the underdog in the cup games which I can accept. The games will have a different feel about them.

However more worryingly maybe the players think they are better than they are and don't think they have to put in a shift against League one teams
but are happy to work hard when the Premiership media is watching. That would be unacceptable

I agree completely, thank you. <ok>
 
I must say I am confused and disappointed with JR. I personally thought he was a great appointment. I would love to know the mood in the dressing room and whether the players still have his back. I’m disappointed with the fact we lack a playmaker and a style of play that others fear.
I’m not sure sacking him would solve it though.
The only benefit I can see is that we get that new manager uplift which sometimes happens and sometimes doesn’t. TBF we have lost Oviedo Maja and Catts and not replaced.
 
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He must go. It’s absolutely appalling, and even when we win it’s laboured and usually is us hanging on at the end.

However, I do think he has been let down badly by the recruitment team.

Last season Stevie Wonder wearing a blindfold could see we lacked any kind of pace throughout the side, and we were weak as piss and got bullied. We were crying out for pace and a bit of power right through the team. Willis is the only one who fits this bill. We still have a team full of players with zero pace and who get bullied by any player over 6 foot.

Everyone knew Oviedo would be away this summer, regardless of division. Plans should have been made about replacing him, especially when in June we let Reece James leave. James was steady enough, no world beater even at this level and IMO no great loss. However, despite knowing Oviedo was away and having 3 month to sign a replacement for James, we still ended up panic buying a left back from Leeds who nobody has heard of and the Leeds fan ridicule for being so ****. And unfortunately I can’t see Hume being a professional footballer for very long.

Ross seemed like he had his heart set on playing 352 this season. After losing Matthews, Oviedo and James (all of which would fill that wingback slot quite well) we started the season with Gooch and O’Nien filling in at RWB, and the lad we signed to play right back squeezed in to play centre back. Does Ross have no say in transfers? Do they not liaise with him and ask him what formation he is looking to play or what style he wants to play, and sign players to fit that? Because of the 352 being a nightmare, and Hume being canny poor/injured, we end up with the lad who we signed to play right back but squeezed in at centre back playing at left back, and an advanced midfield player at right back. Shambles.

In midfield, I’ve already mentioned us lacking that bit of physicality and ability to move. Yes we signed Dobson who does seem to provide us that bit of energy, but he doesn’t seem very good. The rest of our options are all much of a muchness. Nobody who can really get about the pitch and impose themselves on the game. They’ll all pick the ball up and play some nice 10/20 yard passes sideways or backwards, but that’s about it.

McGeady played through the last 6 weeks of last season with a broken foot because we were so desperate. He is STILL playing injured because we did not sign any wingers. We have Gooch, who sadly will never make it above this level IMO, Maguire who again will never make it above this level and is better as a number 10 anyway due to having zero pace, McGeady who is clearly very unfit and Watmore, who seems to be ruined by injury. At least at the end of last year we had Morgan. Is this failure to sign wingers because Ross wanted to play 352??

Strikers - yes losing Maja was a blow. However, had Wyke been fit at the start of last season would Maja have even got a look in? Our policy when signing strikers appears to be look at who’s scored goals in this league previously. Wyke is horrendous, up there with James Vaughan in being the worst forward I’ve seen play for us. At least the likes of Altidore and Prica were ****e at a higher level. Grigg just doesn’t look interested, and tbh he is living off scraps. Scraps of ****. Dragged through ****. Does not excuse his lack of effort mind, but whatever style of football we play does not suit Grigg.....so why did we spend so much on him?

So yes, Ross has been let down by recruitment. Badly I’d say. How much of a say has he had in these? I’ve no idea. But whoever is in charge of recruitment should be following Ross out of the door.

HOWEVER.....

We do not look organised and we do not look fit enough. We have no style of football other than turn up and hope our better players turn up and drag us through. That IS something Ross certainly can control and influence. We are blowing out of our arses after an hour, so who is in charge of fitness? We look all over the place defensively. Ross spoke about wanting 20 clean sheets, after his obsession with them last year. We have 0. We don’t have the players to play out from the back. Our midfield don’t seem to want to get their foot on the ball and test the opposition, or drive forwards with the ball. We have no pace to use a ball over the top, or to get the ball and run at opposition defenders. If teams even slightly press us, we **** ourselves and lump the ball forward to whichever of our weak, slow forwards we’re playing this week and then the ball comes straight back at us.

Ross has been let down. But he’s also let himself down. Managers in this league with smaller squads full of lesser players with budgets a fraction the size of ours can get their teams organised and attempting to play football. Ross has been in charge for around 80 games, and I’ve still no idea what he wants to do with this squad. For me, he should have gone straight after the playoff final. And he certainly should not be given another game to show everyone how out of his depth he is here.

Time to go, Ross, Coton and Hill.
Bloody hell, I feel like topping mesel
 
I would happily keep him if he was doing well.
But he's not though is he mate.
I've been Ross in from the start but things have gone badly wrong.
Reading some of the comments from lads who see the team first hand can no longer be ignored.
Yesterday we all knew Lincoln would get a lift out of their new manager and we obviously couldn't match them for whatever reason.
As for a replacement manager I have no idea and not sure going back to Big Sam would work.
Were in a really bad place at present.
 
But he's not though is he mate.
I've been Ross in from the start but things have gone badly wrong.
Reading some of the comments from lads who see the team first hand can no longer be ignored.
Yesterday we all knew Lincoln would get a lift out of their new manager and we obviously couldn't match them for whatever reason.
As for a replacement manager I have no idea and not sure going back to Big Sam would work.
Were in a really bad place at present.
Hi mate that comment was about Tony Pulis <cheers>
 
No apologies needed mate.
Think this could be a couple of things

May be its down to being the underdog in the cup games which I can accept. The games will have a different feel about them.

However more worryingly maybe the players think they are better than they are and don't think they have to put in a shift against League one teams
but are happy to work hard when the Premiership media is watching. That would be unacceptable

I think partly the cup thing is because the opposition treat it as nothing more than a friendly. I know there's always changes, and you'd think the lads coming in would have something to prove, but this is a tournament where you don't earn a penny in prize money until the semi final (and even then it's 25k for the beaten semi finalists, 50k for the beaten finalist and £100k for the winner, so in premier league terms even winning it is buttons). I can't imagine the clubs who have limited squads (like Burnley and Sheffield United) will be telling them to go out and give everything to win it, they could do without the extra games. I'm sure they'd take it seriously in a semi final, but until then it's pointless for them. It's a tournament ideally set up for shock results
 
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I think partly the cup thing is because the opposition treat it as nothing more than a friendly. I know there's always changes, and you'd think the lads coming in would have something to prove, but this is a tournament where you don't earn a penny in prize money until the semi final (and even then it's 25k for the beaten semi finalists, 50k for the beaten finalist and £100k for the winner, so in premier league terms even winning it is buttons). I can't imagine the clubs who have limited squads (like Burnley and Sheffield United) will be telling them to go out and give everything to win it, they could do without the extra games. I'm sure they'd take it seriously in a semi final, but until then it's pointless for them. It's a tournament ideally set up for shock results
Very true. I think you can only really judge the team on league performances when the opposition are up for it
What gets me about the league games is nothing changes Ross changes the personnel but regardless there is no team work and no real aggression
 
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So who is out there to replace him? SAFC has a very poor record when it comes to managers and a lot of reputations have been broken. What talented aspiring manager would risk it now? I think the takeover talks have unsettled everyone and it needs to be resolved quickly
Remember what Coleman said when he took over, it is a difficult job but imagine being the manager who took us to our full potential. Who wouldn’t want the job.
 
Remember what Coleman said when he took over, it is a difficult job but imagine being the manager who took us to our full potential. Who wouldn’t want the job.
True...but who is going to risk their pedigree and reputation? The only person I can think of is Hughton. Other than that we recruit someone (like Ross) who has shown potential in a less demanding environment, or pay stupid money like Notts Co. did with Sven to fly though the league. It is a difficult choice but I would personally opt for the Hughton style route. Maybe Im wrong but can't see an odds on strategy other than that.
 
It always annoys me when this happens. I know it won't be as easy as it sounds but he must know that this risk averse style and constantly focusing on clean sheets that we can't keep will see him either sacked, or at least not have his contract renewed. If that was me I'd think "**** it, this is my last chance, let's just go for it". Instead he seems to be persisting with a style that has never really looked like getting us out of this league even when Maja was here never mind after he left

I can't fathom why he won't "roll the dice" and be less risk averse, he has nothing to lose because surely he can see that "more of the same" will only lead to the sack?

A few posters have alluded to "stuff going on behind the scenes means he's actually doing a good job".
But I have absolutely no idea what they're talking about?
 
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