Iwobi

[blukyt]

Except £100k per week is nothing like a world class wage, it is now about average for a decent top 6 player.

He's hardly a decent top 6 player.

I dunno what you guys thought of Adam Lallana last night. Sometimes you just have to laugh. Stats will fool you. Lallana, Theo... You 'avin a laugh!

I once posted that I would get rid of Ozil (in the current Arsenal setup) despite what the stats say, and go for a more mobile and dynamic #10 like a Coutinho, or Payet. We don't have the supporting cast to make Ozil great. Ozil is actually better than what some are drooling over now. But thanks to Wenger.... These other guys will take games by the scruff of the neck. Ozil is a facilitator. A dictator will give us more. But anuway

 

[NLDISRED]

He's hardly a decent top 6 player.

I dunno what you guys thought of Adam Lallana last night. Sometimes you just have to laugh. Stats will fool you. Lallana, Theo... You 'avin a laugh!

I once posted that I would get rid of Ozil (in the current Arsenal setup) despite what the stats say, and go for a more mobile and dynamic #10 like a Coutinho, or Payet. We don't have the supporting cast to make Ozil great. Ozil is actually better than what some are drooling over now. But thanks to Wenger.... These other guys will take games by the scruff of the neck. Ozil is a facilitator. A dictator will give us more. But anuway

There's not a single midfielder in the prem I'd take over ozil maybe even the world

 

[Diego]

There's not a single midfielder in the prem I'd take over ozil maybe even the world

Then you need to watch more football.
Ozil is a great player when the team is on top, in a close game or if you are getting outfought he is like a ghost.

 

[Arsenal87]

Then you need to watch more football.
Ozil is a great player when the team is on top, in a close game or if you are getting outfought he is like a ghost.

Only he has helped us come through many games when we were not on top, he pulled the strings when we beat City, when we smashed you, and on it goes. This is just some bull **** myth you invented and now you believe it, this horse **** that he only does good when we are winning or on top.

 

[Diego]

Only he has helped us come through many games when we were not on top, he pulled the strings when we beat City, when we smashed you, and on it goes. This is just some bull **** myth you invented and now you believe it, this horse **** that he only does good when we are winning or on top.

Nope, it's what I and many others have seen on a regular basis over the last few years, he certainly has talent, just not guts or drive.

He may have "pulled the strings" for 20 mins against us once (when you were on top) but when we started to play he went missing again

 

[NLDISRED]

Then you need to watch more football.
Ozil is a great player when the team is on top, in a close game or if you are getting outfought he is like a ghost.

Just because I don't spend most of my time posting on here doesn't mean I don't watch footbal I think I watch more then the average man. I struggle to think of a better midfielder in the premier league than him.

 

[Diego]

Just because I don't spend most of my time posting on here doesn't mean I don't watch footbal I think I watch more then the average man. I struggle to think of a better midfielder in the premier league than him.

Like I just said to A87, it's not his ability, it's his application/drive.
He is not the man to pull your team through tough games when you need points.

 

[lazarus20000]

As far as I understand the post from blukyt, he wasn't questioning Ozils quality but of the overall composition of the team, which makes sense to me. As I've said in the past about Ozil, he's like a Rolls Royce, great car if you're driving on nice roads, but not so effective on African dirt tracks. He needs the quality around him to function and quite frankly, very few have matched his quality this season, and that includes the likes of Sanchez.

Would I keep him, of course. But you can't ignore the lack of quality surounding him sometimes and expect things to operate properly.

 

[blukyt]

As far as I understand the post from blukyt, he wasn't questioning Ozils quality but of the overall composition of the team, which makes sense to me. As I've said in the past about Ozil, he's like a Rolls Royce, great car if you're driving on nice roads, but not so effective on African dirt tracks. He needs the quality around him to function and quite frankly, very few have matched his quality this season, and that includes the likes of Sanchez.

Would I keep him, of course. But you can't ignore the lack of quality surounding him sometimes and expect things to operate properly.

Take a bow son! Some people most likely read "Ozil is ****. Get rid!"
I am in no way questioning the guy's talent. I have often said he one of my favorite footballers of all time. He's simply a joy to watch when he's on song. The issue is the system. If we were to buy the right players then Ozil is the one have but with what we've got we require a more robust type. One to get stuck in. One to take players on. One shoot on sight. One with an eye for a pass. Wilshere could have been that player. With Ozil, the players around him have to be moving and thinking in the same realm as he is so he doesn't have to do much (in our eyes) but just find them. He's a cerebral type, which is rear.

 

[lazarus20000]

Take a bow son! Some people most likely read "Ozil is ****. Get rid!"
I am in no way questioning the guy's talent. I have often said he one of my favorite footballers of all time. He's simply a joy to watch when he's on song. The issue is the system. If we were to buy the right players then Ozil is the one have but with what we've got we require a more robust type. One to get stuck in. One to take players on. One shoot on sight. One with an eye for a pass. Wilshere could have been that player. With Ozil, the players around him have to be moving and thinking in the same realm as he is so he doesn't have to do much (in our eyes) but just find them. He's a cerebral type, which is rear.

Exactly right. The right blend of players is important, and i still thing we haven't cracked it. Also, he is on a different wave length to most of our players. The only two players that are at his level/close to it are Cazorla and Sanchez. We've suffered quite a bit with Caz's absence and Sanchez has been far from stellar this season. But some of the attacking/midfield players have not been very good - OXO, Ramsey, Walcott, Campbell and Giroud. To be fair, Giroud hasn't been bad at all, in fact he's been one of our best players, but he simply isn't at the required level to play with the likes of Ozil.

We are yet to see the full potential of Ozil unleashed. At the moment, its like seeing a formula one car fitted with 14 inch Nissan Micra wheels...

 

[TheBear]

The only reason we haven't seen the best of Ozil is the fact Giroud couldn't score in a brothel.

Ozil will get 15+ assists this Season. This is playing with a striker (Giroud) that has a conversion rate of just 16%.

Consider most elite forwards are around the 30% mark - that would be almost twice as many goals from the same number of chances.

 

[andytoprankin]

Clearly has lots to learn. Tell you what, we'll have him on loan for all next season if you want.

Classy win yesterday.
The three points are happily yours, you make sure you use them to finish above you-know-who.

 

[PeterRICK]

Are people implying we should get rid of Özil because the rest of our front line is suspect?! Why on earth would you lose your best asset just because others are cr*p? Seems counter-productive to me. Surely you'd lose the dead weight and build a team that gets the best out of one of the classiest players in the world...maybe I'm missing something.

Back to Iwobi though - yeah he's done alright! Let's not get too excited as it's early days but the signs are promising. Nice to see Sanchez, Iwobi and Welbeck up front all of who offer pace and power. Finally get to see Mesut having some fun passing to people who have speed and like to make runs...

 

[blukyt]

Are people implying we should get rid of Özil because the rest of our front line is suspect?! Why on earth would you lose your best asset just because others are cr*p? Seems counter-productive to me. Surely you'd lose the dead weight and build a team that gets the best out of one of the classiest players in the world...maybe I'm missing something.

Back to Iwobi though - yeah he's done alright! Let's not get too excited as it's early days but the signs are promising. Nice to see Sanchez, Iwobi and Welbeck up front all of who offer pace and power. Finally get to see Mesut having some fun passing to people who have speed and like to make runs...

I was trying to really make a point about Wenger's strange recruitment of players and also that sometimes its more about what player fits into what system. If we were to play Wenger's one slow big man up front then we need a more dynamic #10. But with the introduction of Welbz and Iwobi we can see Ozil getting more influential and get the best out of his radar.

 

[lazarus20000]

I was trying to really make a point about Wenger's strange recruitment of players and also that sometimes its more about what player fits into what system. If we were to play Wenger's one slow big man up front then we need a more dynamic #10. But with the introduction of Welbz and Iwobi we can see Ozil getting more influential and get the best out of his radar.

I don't think any sane person here was saying we should get rid of Ozil. But for an Ozil to work, you need the right blend of players and class. Do we have that at the moment? No. But the summer transfer window can help remedy that problem.

 

[Arsenal87]

Another big test for Iwobi at West Ham today, and another good game with 2 assists.

It was his **** up that led to the play for West Ham's goal, but one bad touch from him in midfield does not mean we have to concede a goal, defence still had enough time and should have done better in defending the cross.

That's what's very positive about Iwobi, most his starts so far have come in very big games, away from home, the Nou Camp, Everton, and West Ham, and he has done great in each one of them.

 

[TheBear]

I don't think any sane person here was saying we should get rid of Ozil. But for an Ozil to work, you need the right blend of players and class. Do we have that at the moment? No. But the summer transfer window can help remedy that problem.

Ozil IS already working!! 18 assist and 8 goals this term. 90% pass accuracy.

He's world Class.

We have problems at centre forward. Thats the issue here.

 

[lazarus20000]

Ozil IS already working!! 18 assist and 8 goals this term. 90% pass accuracy.

He's world Class.

We have problems at centre forward. Thats the issue here.

Who said Ozil wasn't working. But stick a better array of players in front of him and he'll be even better. Giroud isn't in his league.

 

[SpursDisciple]

What's happened to Campbell - he looked like a top player. Is he injured?




















And no Piskie, I don't mean Sol.

 

[BrunelGooner]

What's happened to Campbell - he looked like a top player. Is he injured?.

No-one knows. Wenger's frozen him out completely and no-one can understand why because he was performing very well for us. The only reasons I can think of are that Wenger wants him to be sold, they've fallen out or he's not working hard enough in training (possibly all three!) because there is no way in hell that Walcott should be getting into the team ahead of him.

Just when it looked like he was becoming an effective team player, Sanchez was fit again and he stopped playing - which I don't think is fair because his performances have been surpassed Sanchez's based on this season. I don't blame him if he leaves in the Summer, with the way he's been treated. Sometimes it seems like Wenger can pick players based on their names rather than their form. Ramsey also being a prime example. I'm hoping he just doesn't waltz his way back into the side when Elneny and Coquelin have complemented each other so well.