It's looking up - maybe

[Jaggro]

We've had a bit of a roller-coaster ride over the past couple of days and I'm sure that will continue, but things aren't looking quite as bad as they first seemed.

We had lost Adam Pearson along with the likelihood of Nick Barmby, and the Allams' were also allegedly putting the club up for sale, and it also looked like we'd be losing our best players.
Since then the Allams' have clarified that they are not looking to sell the club and that our best players will not be leaving. Granted they've made promises in the past that have been broken but when it comes to the future of the club you would hope they'd stick to it.

So, at the end of all of this, the only major thing I can honestly say we've lost is trust in the Allams' - ie if we get a new manager we'll be half-expecting him to get sacked after every interview.

Pearson was supposed to be leaving regardless, so cutting it slightly short hopefully shouldn't make too much difference in the grand scheme of things, and I'm sure they'll find a replacement soon.
As for Barmby, yes the decision was disgusting, disgraceful, eye-gougingly painful to read.. etc, but we can't get hung up on it. If we won the league next season you know some people would end up praising the Allams' for their excellent decisions.

To my recollection player contracts don't expire until June 30th, so we've got a fair while to sort out a new manager (ie no teams will snap up free agents whilst we're managerless) and plenty of time for our players and fans to simply accept the situation as it is. Personally I'd have McCarthy although Davies surprisingly seems the more likely at this moment in time.

We'll can talk over the January budget, Barmby's interview and Pearson's sacking a thousand times - it won't change anything. Maybe it's time we just accept the situation as it is and move on. Barmby will be back one day, even if it's not in a managerial role - and who knows, maybe someone better can come in and take us straight back up to the promised land.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Anyone who thinks Mick would work with the Allams is as mental as them.

 

[Nick HCAFC]

Reading this thread and comments elsewhere, the Allams have achieved what they wanted if the fans just give up like that, so much for justice. Nice case of Egyptian divide and rule if you ask me. See you all in a couple of months.

 

[Jaggro]

Anyone who thinks Mick would work with the Allams is as mental as them.

I wasn't really taking his potential relationship with the Allams' into account, I was just stating who I'd like in charge of the team.

 

[Jaggro]

Reading this thread and comments elsewhere, the Allams have achieved what they wanted if the fans just give up like that, so much for justice. Nice case of Egyptian divide and rule if you ask me. See you all in a couple of months.

What do you expect? It's better we move on and accept things as they are, rather than running a campaign to stop people buying season passes like some people are.

 

[RicardoHCAFC]

To my recollection player contracts don't expire until June 30th, so we've got a fair while to sort out a new manager (ie no teams will snap up free agents whilst we're managerless) and plenty of time for our players and fans to simply accept the situation as it is. Personally I'd have McCarthy although Davies surprisingly seems the more likely at this moment in time.

Correct. Clubs also can't officially talk to the out of contract players until the start of June, unless their clubs announce they're going to release them (eg Green at Derby they've said will leave, and the Reading and Southampton releases today).

You've also got the fact the window doesn't officially open until 9th June (although deals can be done anytime), and the players being on holiday meaning that players will be prepared to wait a while before firming up a deal in the hope a better offer comes along.

 

[Craigo]

plenty of time for our players and fans to simply accept the situation as it is.
Maybe it's time we just accept the situation as it is and move on.

Sorry but I'm beginning to think that Hull is the capital of apathy.
The Allams have kicked out the two most important members of the club staff. Fact.
Many of the players are reported to be disgusted by this. Fact
It was all done in a fit of petulance and for no logical reasons. Fact
We have an owner who places his own ego above the advancement of the club. Fact
In return the Allams have:
Promised they won't sell the best players. Words
Promised they don't intend to sell the club. Words
Said that NB and AP were offered the money for a striker in January. Words
And suggested they are still only interested in promotion. Words
There are a lot of gullible people as far as I can see, but don't be surprised if some of those words are contradicted once the season tickets have been sold.

 

[onceatiger]

"The Allams have kicked out the two of most important members of the club staff. Fact.
Many of the players are reported to be disgusted by this. Fact
It was all done in a fit of petulance and for no logical reasons. Fact
We have an owner who places his own ego above the advancement of the club. Fact"

None of these are facts!

1 member of the club has been dismissed - we don't know yet what wll happen to the other
1 player ( Rosie) has been reported to be disgusted ( note 'reported to be' not is!)
Not a fact an opinion
Ditto

 

[PLT]

I think losing trust in the owners is a pretty serious thing.

Before this week I knew they were a bit mad and were a bit reluctant, for now at least, to put more money into the team but I didn't consider for a second that they were the kind of owners who hire and fire at will if they dislike something that someone says or does. This kind of thing can be so disruptive if they're going to make a habit of it, and why wouldn't they? If they're willing to so suddenly get rid of a local hero with no hesitation they'll do the same for the next manager.

As for them not putting the club up for sale, do we know if that's a bad thing? If we're still relying on their money to survive then obviously it's a good thing that they aren't selling but if we are close to being self-sufficient and the current owners aren't going to put money into the team but will sack whoever they want then I'd rather they left. There's no point in millionaires who don't want to spend it on the club. Before anyone calls me ungrateful read what I've said. I'm saying if we are capable of breaking even on our own then what exactly do they offer us now?

 

[Nick HCAFC]

Thats this generation in a thread summed up for you, the club has it's heart ripped out and it's 'lets just carry on as if it doesn't matter'. 'Lets just get another manager and have done with it, we buy our passes and we don't care'. Well **** that, I'm not donating my money to a circus next season, i support charities and they can get my money instead of these jokers. You either make a stand and have some principles or you act like a pussy and turn the other cheek. Let's see what happens.

 

[PLT]

"The Allams have kicked out the two of most important members of the club staff. Fact.
Many of the players are reported to be disgusted by this. Fact
It was all done in a fit of petulance and for no logical reasons. Fact
We have an owner who places his own ego above the advancement of the club. Fact"

None of these are facts!

1 member of the club has been dismissed - we don't know yet what wll happen to the other
1 player ( Rosie) has been reported to be disgusted ( note 'reported to be' not is!)
Not a fact an opinion
Ditto

Trust me, he was more than disgusted. The guy looked like he was ready to storm into their offices and sort it out himself.

 

[Jaggro]

Craig, you've pretty much summed up my point. Over the last couple of days, I've seen your comment in various wording 200+ times.

My point is that it makes no difference how many times we all we say it. Usually threads end after everyone has said their piece, but this time around it seems that everyone has said their piece 6 times each over various threads, and it's all getting a bit tiring.

I'm not saying take the Allams' word for it, I'm not saying go back to trusting them 100% - I'm simply trying to create some sort of positive note.

In most cases, players are disappointed with a manager leaving, and although this may be different to usual circumstances, they have over three long months before they play a competitive match.
Anyway, it might be a good thing having a manager who gives the players a good kick up the backside for playing badly as opposed to picking the same team regardless of performance. Let's be honest, that's the only reason the players' loved him so much.

 

[Craigo]

"
None of these are facts![/B]

1 member of the club has been dismissed - we don't know yet what wll happen to the other
1 player ( Rosie) has been reported to be disgusted ( note 'reported to be' not is!)
Not a fact an opinion
Ditto

I'm basing my points on the comments of the two people on this board who have inside information about the actual events that took place.

 

[Jaggro]

Thats this generation in a thread summed up for you, the club has it's heart ripped out and it's 'lets just carry on as if it doesn't matter'. 'Lets just get another manager and have done with it, we buy our passes and we don't care'.

Jesus ****ing Christ, can you please twist my words a bit more next time?

 

[Oregon Tiger]

Sorry but I'm beginning to think that Hull is the capital of apathy.
The Allams have kicked out the two most important members of the club staff. Fact.
Many of the players are reported to be disgusted by this. Fact
It was all done in a fit of petulance and for no logical reasons. Fact
We have an owner who places his own ego above the advancement of the club. Fact
In return the Allams have:
Promised they won't sell the best players. Words
Promised they don't intend to sell the club. Words
Said that NB and AP were offered the money for a striker in January. Words
And suggested they are still only interested in promotion. Words
There are a lot of gullible people as far as I can see, but don't be surprised if some of those words are contradicted once the season tickets have been sold.

I think you have come up with a new definition of the word "fact".

Fact (N): a common held belief perpetuated by speculation.

I hear that there are some jobs going at News Corporation that may be of interest.

BTW, I am not implying that you are wrong, just that you may have an issue proving these facts.

 

[andy payton's mullet]

Trust me, he was more than disgusted. The guy looked like he was ready to storm into their offices and sort it out himself.

I thought that the people who saw Rosie said that he said very little before being ushered away, but he suggested that his view was along the lines of "if what's rumoured is true, then the way NB was treated was disgusting" (or along those lines).

If that's right then Rosie was himself waiting to find out more. A bit like what the rest of us should do?

 

[Craigo]

I think you have come up with a new definition of the word "fact".

Fact (N): a common held belief perpetuated by speculation.

I hear that there are some jobs going at News Corporation that may be of interest.

BTW, I am not implying that you are wrong, just that you may have an issue proving these facts.

Sorry if my use of the word offends you but hopefully you can consider what I meant and not just be pedantic.

 

[onceatiger]

OK - the others are still not facts! ( and I can understand Rosie's shock /anger if he'd only just heard the news)

 

[PLT]

I'm basing my points on the comments of the two people on this board who have inside information about the actual events that took place.

I've tried that but suddenly over this incident everyone has lot trust in OLM, PT, NB and AP who were all pretty reliable sources before now. For some reason a lot of people still place trust in the Allams over the aforementioned.

I thought that the people who saw Rosie said that he said very little before being ushered away, but he suggested that his view was along the lines of "if what's rumoured is true, then the way NB was treated was disgusting" (or along those lines).

If that's right then Rosie was himself waiting to find out more. A bit like what the rest of us should do?

I saw it and trust me, he was fuming. His quote was "It's an absolute ****ing joke if it's true." That shows not only that he was outraged by it but also that he and the rest of the players hadn't even been informed. It's disgusting that they've treat the players like that.

 

[joannahatfield]

Thats this generation in a thread summed up for you, the club has it's heart ripped out and it's 'lets just carry on as if it doesn't matter'. 'Lets just get another manager and have done with it, we buy our passes and we don't care'. Well **** that, I'm not donating my money to a circus next season, i support charities and they can get my money instead of these jokers. You either make a stand and have some principles or you act like a pussy and turn the other cheek. Let's see what happens.

Well said!! There's not much integrity in certain quarters. As someone said earlier, just because people are rich, it does not make them better people, in fact often the reverse is true. I smelt a rat when money was given to the Labour Party, and I am a member!!! Also, wanting a reduction in tax, when this city has very few prospects for the working population, and I speak as someone hit by the "granny tax". In the long term we will find out if promises are kept, but I wouldn't hold your breath!!!