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[SydneyTiger14]

How many other managers have managed fierce rivals in three different cities/regions in England?

The fact he’ll accept any job so long as they pay him enough is why he’s a mercenary.

Allardyce managed both Newcastle and Sunderland, Benitez at Liverpool and Everton, McLeish at Birmingham and Villa, Clough at Forest and Derby, Redknapp at Soton and Portsmouth. I could go on..

A job's a job mate. If you're out of work and one becomes available, you take it.

You make it sound like he should have some allegiance to a club that kicked him out on his ass.

 

[Kalman]

Allardyce managed both Newcastle and Sunderland, McLeish at Birmingham and Villa, Clough at Forest and Derby, Redknapp at Soton and Portsmouth. I could go on..

A job's a job mate. If you're out of work and one becomes available, you take it.

You make it sound like he should have some allegiance to a club that kicked him out on his ass.

No, I’d rather him just do it with his chest instead of talking a load of bollocks about ‘loyalty’ and ‘integrity’ and how Newcastle is his boyhood club. I’d respect him more if he said it’s just a job and I’m here for a wage.

The hypocrisy of some on here when defending Bruce is insane. If a player got around as many clubs that were rivals of each other as Bruce had, people would rightly slate them as mercs. I don’t see why it’s different for managers. A lot of black-and-amber-tinted glasses for former players and Bruce on here.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

No, I’d rather him just do it with his chest instead of talking a load of bollocks about ‘loyalty’ and ‘integrity’ and how Newcastle is his boyhood club. I’d respect him more if he said it’s just a job and I’m here for a wage.

The hypocrisy of some on here when defending Bruce is insane. If a player got around as many clubs that were rivals of each other as Bruce had, people would rightly slate them as mercs. I don’t see why it’s different for managers. A lot of black-and-amber-tinted glasses for former players and Bruce on here.

But Newcastle are his boyhood club and he loved managing them? He didn't choose to leave them to chase a wage somewhere else, they sacked him.

Just get confused sometimes when people view managers as needing to have some sort of loyalty to an employer that has sacked them. If you worked for Sainsbury's and they fired you, would you refuse to work for Tesco on principle? Or if you were out of work and applied in a bunch of places and Tesco offered you a job would you take it?

 

[Kalman]

But Newcastle are his boyhood club and he loved managing them? He didn't choose to leave them to chase a wage somewhere else, they sacked him.

Just get confused sometimes when people view managers as needing to have some sort of loyalty to an employer that has sacked them. If you worked for Sainsbury's and they fired you, would you refuse to work for Tesco on principle? Or if you were out of work and applied in a bunch of places and Tesco offered you a job would you take it?

I’m sure someone living paycheque-to-paycheque at a minimum wage job is on par with Steve Bruce who earns more from his severance after being fired than most people make in a year. Great comparison.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

I’m sure someone living paycheque-to-paycheque at a minimum wage job is on par with Steve Bruce who earns more from his severance after being fired than most people make in a year. Great comparison.

It was a point about loyalty to employer not how much you earn.

Never mind mate.

 

[Kalman]

It was a point about loyalty to employer not how much you earn.

Never mind mate.

It’s not so much loyalty to the employer but the club as a whole. You know, I would’ve thought City fans of all people were smart enough to distinguish employers/owners from the club and it’s history, but apparently some aren’t.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

It’s not so much loyalty to the employer but the club as a whole. You know, I would’ve thought City fans of all people were smart enough to distinguish employers/owners from the club and it’s history, but apparently some aren’t.

Charming personal dig mate, I've just given a number of examples of managers who have managed fierce rivals. Plenty more I didn't name. Once a manager has left a club why should he care or let that factor into the next decision?

 

[Kalman]

Charming personal dig mate, I've just given a number of examples of managers who have managed fierce rivals. Plenty more I didn't name. Once a manager has left a club why should he care or let that factor into the next decision?

Fine, but then don’t expect everyone to buy into the ‘loyalty’ façade Bruce pushes about himself when his actions speak louder than words.

And if you speak to me like a condescending prick, don’t be surprised when I talk to you like a prick back, mate.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Fine, but then don’t expect everyone to buy into the ‘loyalty’ façade Bruce pushes about himself when his actions speak louder than words.

And if you speak to me like a condescending prick, don’t be surprised when I talk to you like a prick back, mate.

What loyalty facade have people bought into? Who's ever mentioned loyalty about Bruce as one of the reasons people like him?

Apologies if there was any sense of condescension, that was definitely not intentional. If you took that from my use of mate, that wasn't the intent.

 

[Kevin Francis]

That's the end of West Brom's promotion run then.

Yes he's our most successful Manager, but he was given significant financial backing to assemble a squad of players that should have been good enough to avoid relegation in 2014/15 season.

One could also argue that the squad he retained following relegation should have been good enough to be promoted automatically rather than via the playoffs.

The squad retained after that relegation should have been walking the league and heading towards that 100 point mark. It's one of the best squads ever assembled on paper in the championship. Brucie new one way to play football and that was to be pragmatic. Get a lead, take all your strikers off and hope they don't equalise. It's was so frustrating to watch us at times that season. That being said. He had a tried and trusted method of getting promoted that has worked numerous times before, and although we didn't perform nowhere near the squads potential that year the end goal was ultimately achieved and that's all that mattered.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

The squad retained after that relegation should have been walking the league and heading towards that 100 point mark. It's one of the best squads ever assembled on paper in the championship. Brucie new one way to play football and that was to be pragmatic. Get a lead, take all your strikers off and hope they don't equalise. It's was so frustrating to watch us at times that season. That being said. He had a tried and trusted method of getting promoted that has worked numerous times before, and although we didn't perform nowhere near the squads potential that year the end goal was ultimately achieved and that's all that mattered.

Really? We battered promotion rivals in games at the KC, we just didn't get enough results on the road and struggled with mid-week games when we rotated the side. But I wouldn't have said it was an issue with being too pragmatic.

 

[Mr Hatem]

Allardyce managed both Newcastle and Sunderland, Benitez at Liverpool and Everton, McLeish at Birmingham and Villa, Clough at Forest and Derby, Redknapp at Soton and Portsmouth. I could go on..

A job's a job mate. If you're out of work and one becomes available, you take it.

You make it sound like he should have some allegiance to a club that kicked him out on his ass.

He left on his donkey?

 

[Frank Fingers]

Fine, but then don’t expect everyone to buy into the ‘loyalty’ façade Bruce pushes about himself when his actions speak louder than words.
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I have no real interest in whom Bruce manages since he left us if it isn't us, but given the stance you've taken on manager loyalty, are there any examples of managers who have refused to manage a club due to previous employments?

 

[Charon]

Alex Bruce has joined the coaching staff, along with Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence

what a ****ing joke - tweedle dee and tweedle very dumb - West Brom have become a basket case overnight

 

[PLT]

Both Sheffield clubs, Newcastle and Sunderland, Villa and Brum and now West Brom.

Principles and loyalty are foreign words to Bruce. Decent coach for us but ****ing hell…

He also managed both sides of the biggest rivalry of all; us and Norwich.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Regardless of what results or signings he’s made or who he’s managed the bloke is an absolute bellend.

He was happy to entertain Allams name change bollocks with the old “If it wasn’t for the Allams money I wouldn’t be here” he used to trot out all the ****ing time, along with all his other patronising “little old hull” waffle. Taking us out of Europe almost on purpose and then glorifying in his decision to rest the starting XI for subsequently managing to get a point at home against ****ing Stoke the next weekend. “That point could keep us up” he said. It didn’t.

Going further back than that and I think every City fan hated him before he arrived here due to constant moaning and excuses about everything. We even used to have regular threads on here and the old 606 “Bruce at it again” was a regular topic.

And that time he came out and claimed Alan Hutton needed a facial reconstruction after rolling around kicking and screaming from that absolute non head butt by Altidore.

Just goes to show how a bit of success on the pitch can buy peoples favour. Anyone who’s animosity towards the Allam’s does not extend towards their yes man Steve Bruce can give up their charade. The trio of ****s go hand in hand you can’t dislike one without the other.

 

[Ullofaman]

But Newcastle are his boyhood club and he loved managing them? He didn't choose to leave them to chase a wage somewhere else, they sacked him.

Just get confused sometimes when people view managers as needing to have some sort of loyalty to an employer that has sacked them. If you worked for Sainsbury's and they fired you, would you refuse to work for Tesco on principle? Or if you were out of work and applied in a bunch of places and Tesco offered you a job would you take it?

Lidl did I consider this view point. It has Aldi elements of a reasoned argument.

 

[over18and legal]

The squad retained after that relegation should have been walking the league and heading towards that 100 point mark. It's one of the best squads ever assembled on paper in the championship. Brucie new one way to play football and that was to be pragmatic. Get a lead, take all your strikers off and hope they don't equalise. It's was so frustrating to watch us at times that season. That being said. He had a tried and trusted method of getting promoted that has worked numerous times before, and although we didn't perform nowhere near the squads potential that year the end goal was ultimately achieved and that's all that mattered.

Try telling Sunderland how easy it is to drop down a division and come straight back up.

 

[Kalman]

Regardless of what results or signings he’s made or who he’s managed the bloke is an absolute bellend.

He was happy to entertain Allams name change bollocks with the old “If it wasn’t for the Allams money I wouldn’t be here” he used to trot out all the ****ing time, along with all his other patronising “little old hull” waffle. Taking us out of Europe almost on purpose and then glorifying in his decision to rest the starting XI for subsequently managing to get a point at home against ****ing Stoke the next weekend. “That point could keep us up” he said. It didn’t.

Going further back than that and I think every City fan hated him before he arrived here due to constant moaning and excuses about everything. We even used to have regular threads on here and the old 606 “Bruce at it again” was a regular topic.

And that time he came out and claimed Alan Hutton needed a facial reconstruction after rolling around kicking and screaming from that absolute non head butt by Altidore.

Just goes to show how a bit of success on the pitch can buy peoples favour. Anyone who’s animosity towards the Allam’s does not extend towards their yes man Steve Bruce can give up their charade. The trio of ****s go hand in hand you can’t dislike one without the other.

In hindsight, I actually think he’s a bit of a narcissist despite the ‘nice guy’ persona the media have cultivated for him. The ‘I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for the Allams’ money’ and ‘little old Hull’ just rubs me the wrong way. Almost as if we as a club were beneath him and he was doing some act of charity for us.

He said equally patronising **** when he was at Villa. “If I go, who are they going to get who’s any better?”

When he was sacked there, they were 12th. By the end of the same season, Dean Smith got them promoted

 

[over18and legal]

No, I’d rather him just do it with his chest instead of talking a load of bollocks about ‘loyalty’ and ‘integrity’ and how Newcastle is his boyhood club. I’d respect him more if he said it’s just a job and I’m here for a wage.

The hypocrisy of some on here when defending Bruce is insane. If a player got around as many clubs that were rivals of each other as Bruce had, people would rightly slate them as mercs. I don’t see why it’s different for managers. A lot of black-and-amber-tinted glasses for former players and Bruce on here.

Does any manager or player come out and say I'm just here for the money?
In the real world, does any employee ever tell their employer that they are solely there for the money. Ermm no is the answer.