Is it going to take another tragedy for the sick chants to finally end?

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astroturfnaut said:
Let's see what happens on Thursday, I hope there are no horrible chants.

And if that happens, then let's also consider the "tit-for-tat" argument finished.

None of this "yeah Man Utd fans consistently chant at every U18, league, cup, and European game, but a while back some Liverpool fans chanted too".

Liverpool fans have stopped. Man Utd fans haven't. Let that be the way it is reported if that is the way it is.

Not a moral high ground, just reality.
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That was the case last Thursday, but, in the case of the Mirror, that was not how it was reported. And that is my point - if one set of fans stops, but the other set don't just carry on but actually escalate and expand the chanting, but it's then reported as both sets of fans doing it - why would anyone stop? I really do hope our fans can turn the other cheek (better still, chant 'Respect for the Munich dead") on Thursday and be bigger than the United fans and The Daily Manc, but I fear that won't happen. In saying that I am NOT making excuses for them in advance, but just pointing out that UEFA and the measly apologists at the Manc have missed an opportunity to start the ball rolling in making it as socially unacceptable as the 70's/80's racist chanting that Tobes refers to.
 
Only the dickhead fans of any club sing the tragedy songs, and that goes for LFC fans as well. I would hope that if any of our fans started singing songs about Munich, or Bradford, the fans around them would sort them out pretty quickly. Fans of clubs who have never known tragic events may not realise the hurt the songs cause, but that is no excuse. Anyone with a tiny amount of sympathy for tragic events, and more than one brain cell,would not sing them.
 
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astroturfnaut said:
Let's see what happens on Thursday, I hope there are no horrible chants.

And if that happens, then let's also consider the "tit-for-tat" argument finished.

None of this "yeah Man Utd fans consistently chant at every U18, league, cup, and European game, but a while back some Liverpool fans chanted too".

Liverpool fans have stopped. Man Utd fans haven't. Let that be the way it is reported if that is the way it is.

Not a moral high ground, just reality.
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The fact you are so disingenuous about a subject such as this (along with Donga) is why there are so many pricks who still go around chanting the ****e they do. You're no different. As long as there are ppl like you who can't see the minority of all sets of fans do it, it will continue. If everyone, including you and Donga, and all Liverpool and United fans, stopped turning a blind eye to their own and pretending the problem lies with the other, then maybe it would stop once and for all. One thing is for sure, you're far more interested in using the opportunity to have potshots at your rivals then have any real intention of actually tackling the problem.
 
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Treble said:
The fact you are so disingenuous about a subject such as this (along with Donga) is why there are so many pricks who still go around chanting the ****e they do. You're no different. As long as there are ppl like you who can't see the minority of all sets of fans do it, it will continue. If everyone, including you and Donga, and all Liverpool and United fans, stopped turning a blind eye to their own and pretending the problem lies with the other, then maybe it would stop once and for all. One thing is for sure, you're far more interested in using the opportunity to have potshots at your rivals then have any real intention of actually tackling the problem.
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Nothing disingenuous about me dear, nor is it a pot-shot. If the media, UEFA and yourselves cannot recognise that last Thursday was not a case of tit-for-tat, and are unable to recognise that on THAT night one set of fans were doing it whilst the other were showing restraint, then nobody is ever going carry through with stopping it. Why should they, in their minds, when even when they try they're still being labelled as singing chants about Munich?

But it's never your fault, is it?

And on Thursday it wasn't a 'minority' at all, and you damn well know it. As for turning a blind eye, please read my posts where I've acknowledged what our 'fans' have done, and what I fear they'll do again. But, as I pointed out, when practically every news outlet and those at the game report that Liverpool fans DIDN'T sing about Munich on Thursday, are you saying that to point that out is turning a blind eye? It's not relevant? I think it is.

Like when United fans we're caught singing Hillsborough songs by Sky Sports after the match when they were kept back in the Anny Rd after the 2012 game just after the Hillsborough Report, when their own club and even Bobby Charlton had asked them not to. Within an hour there was reports that a Liverpool fan in the Centenary had 'provoked' them by doing aeroplane postures as he (?) left. Trace that one back to the Irish Times who magically reported this 'fan's' gestures AFTER the recording of the Man U fans was played on Sky.

NOT ONE PERSON, JOURNALIST, FAN, OR CCTV WHO 'SAW' THIS, THOUGHT OF MENTIONING IT, RECORDED IT ON THEIR PHONE, OR NEITHER DID THE POLICE REPORT EJECTING ANYONE OR PROSECTING THEM FOR ANY PUBLIC ORDER OFFENCE RELATING TO THIS CONVENIENT 'PROVOCATION'.

As said, it's NEVER your fault, is it?
 
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astroturfnaut said:
Liverpool fans have stopped. Man Utd fans haven't. Let that be the way it is reported if that is the way it is.
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That's not the case though Liverpool fans responded with Munich chants last Thursday as reported in the OP we need to look at that small group and take responsibility as a club and do something about it.

The OP is written by Ian Doyle, it doesn't say if he was at the game or not but I can see no reason for him to report that if it didn't happen.
 
luvgonzo said:
That's not the case though Liverpool fans responded with Munich chants last Thursday as reported in the OP we need to look at that small group and take responsibility as a club and do something about it.

The OP is written by Ian Doyle, it doesn't say if he was at the game or not but I can see no reason for him to report that if it didn't happen.
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Doesn't say that at all - stop going along with their ****ing straw-clutching.

'One clash at Old Trafford in recent times saw the home supporters continually goad the away support with chants relating to the Hillsborough disaster until, during the second half, Liverpool fans reacted with songs regarding the Munich air crash.
The United fans – and we're not talking a small minority here, but tens of thousands – cheered. They'd got what they intended.'

A clash at OLD TRAFFORD. Mind you, this is what the Daily Manc were so desperate to pick up on and report as fact about Thursday night.
 
donga kloppo said:
Doesn't say that at all - stop going along with their ****ing straw-clutching.

'One clash at Old Trafford in recent times saw the home supporters continually goad the away support with chants relating to the Hillsborough disaster until, during the second half, Liverpool fans reacted with songs regarding the Munich air crash.
The United fans – and we're not talking a small minority here, but tens of thousands – cheered. They'd got what they intended.'

A clash at OLD TRAFFORD. Mind you, this is what the Daily Manc were so desperate to pick up on and report as fact about Thursday night.
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I read it wrong you're right.
 
luvgonzo said:
That's not the case though Liverpool fans responded with Munich chants last Thursday as reported in the OP we need to look at that small group and take responsibility as a club and do something about it.
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You're wrong gonz, our supporters never responded in kind last Thursday it was just Utd's contingent of morons.
But we all acknowledge that the moronic contingent attached to our club have sang Munich songs at OT in recent seasons.
 
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The clubs must take ownership of that issue before it gets out of hand. They have to clearly state that this kind of chanting is unacceptable. Both LFC and United.

But we shouldn't wait for them to take the lead. If the club together with Klopp say that irrespective of provocation we will not respond because we are better than them. Mocking someone's death is NEVER acceptable in sport. And if the other party wants to behave like scumbags then it is up to them but we will not reciprocate. We could show leadership and take the moral high ground.

Klopp has so much influence that if he said that he is disgusted by such behaviour it will soon stop or at least reduce significantly.

Once we have sorted our fans, then it will clear to all who is to blame should it continue.
 
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it will be pretty hard to call it a small minority of idiots while 30k mancs sing it on Thursday while the rest are too busy munching prawn sandwiches and downing champers while not watching.

we all know BT will arrange the mikes to be turned down so LFC fans better realise that the mikes will be up to max their end to compensate so one single chant will be used to make the utd fans look like saints
 
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carlthejackal said:
The clubs must take ownership of that issue before it gets out of hand. They have to clearly state that this kind of chanting is unacceptable. Both LFC and United.

But we shouldn't wait for them to take the lead. If the club together with Klopp say that irrespective of provocation we will not respond because we are better than them. Mocking someone's death is NEVER acceptable in sport. And if the other party wants to behave like scumbags then it is up to them but we will not reciprocate. We could show leadership and take the moral high ground.

Klopp has so much influence that if he said that he is disgusted by such behaviour it will soon stop or at least reduce significantly.

Once we have sorted our fans, then it will clear to all who is to blame should it continue.
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Not responding within the stadium is one thing but there are other kinds of responses.

This thread is a response. It was in the media too, that's also a reaction.

I'm not saying it should be completely ignored either. Just pointing out that there are various forms of responding.

The chants aren't being done to encourage the opposition to return fire with equally sick chants. They are meant to be hurtful to annoy and anger the opposition fans. If someone in the street said similar things to another human being in the street they'd get a kicking. If fans reacted like that we'd have a riot!
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
it will be pretty hard to call it a small minority of idiots while 30k mancs sing it on Thursday while the rest are too busy munching prawn sandwiches and downing champers while not watching.

we all know BT will arrange the mikes to be turned down so LFC fans better realise that the mikes will be up to max their end to compensate so one single chant will be used to make the utd fans look like saints
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hope so,

once again i will be working so miss it sadly, but saint (think it was) said about the mics being turned up manc end to make it sound like they was level on noise with us yet when tunnel cam was on you couldnt hear feck all from them as we was so loud.
 
jenners04 said:
hope so,

once again i will be working so miss it sadly, but saint (think it was) said about the mics being turned up manc end to make it sound like they was level on noise with us yet when tunnel cam was on you couldnt hear feck all from them as we was so loud.
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They always have the effects mics balanced with the away ones turned up.Does my nut in, but it's not 'pro Manc' or 'anti Liverpool' it's just [HASHTAG]#standard[/HASHTAG]

Watching back our game on Sunday, it sounded like the Chelsea fans were making most of the noise, when the reality was completely different inside the stadium.
 
Tobes said:
They always have the effects mics balanced with the away ones turned up.Does my nut in, but it's not 'pro Manc' or 'anti Liverpool' it's just [HASHTAG]#standard[/HASHTAG]

Watching back our game on Sunday, it sounded like the Chelsea fans were making most of the noise, when the reality was completely different inside the stadium.
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This is why i like being old school now and listening on 5live or talksport.. they can't fake the stadium noise.

I don't thin the effect of the prematch noise was felt on tv. I heard it all on radio driving home.
 
Treble said:
The fact you are so disingenuous about a subject such as this (along with Donga) is why there are so many pricks who still go around chanting the ****e they do. You're no different. As long as there are ppl like you who can't see the minority of all sets of fans do it, it will continue. If everyone, including you and Donga, and all Liverpool and United fans, stopped turning a blind eye to their own and pretending the problem lies with the other, then maybe it would stop once and for all. One thing is for sure, you're far more interested in using the opportunity to have potshots at your rivals then have any real intention of actually tackling the problem.
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You're the one having potshots.

I've said that if Liverpool fans don't chant on Thursday then then it should be considered a Man Utd problem.

Do you actually disagree? You still want to bring up the past and use that to excuse what "a minority" is doing today (or rather, last Thursday)?
 
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Tobes said:
They always have the effects mics balanced with the away ones turned up.Does my nut in, but it's not 'pro Manc' or 'anti Liverpool' it's just [HASHTAG]#standard[/HASHTAG]

Watching back our game on Sunday, it sounded like the Chelsea fans were making most of the noise, when the reality was completely different inside the stadium.
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I didn't mean it as anti or pro anything tobes. Just annoying they try and make out its level when it isn't. Similar crap with the highlights they show when if you watched the match it was so one sided.
 
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