Off Topic International Break Thread

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Hodgson is a highly experienced manager way beyond Southgate, his time with England was disappointing for sure. MACLAREN was awful and also connected with Middlesbrough. I wonder if he had something to do with the selection of Southgate. Southgate is worse because he has been there much longer and appears to have learnt very little

I think you need an attacking minded manager for the England job (Hodgson is not that) internationals are generally one off games not a 38 game league ,which might require a defensive manager. Redknapp and Howe are the right sort IMO

Hodgson isn't immune to criticism but the context of his tenure gives him a bit more of a defense than Southgate.

He had literally weeks to prepare for Euro 2012, and a fiendishly hard group in WC 2014. The only obvious failure was Euro 2016, which rightly led to his departure.

He oversaw an era of intense transition from the 'Golden Generation' as the likes of Ferdinand, Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney all declined and then retired during his tenure.

Southgate by contrast has benefitted from some extremely fortunate draws (the current tournament being the latest example) and a settled squad fed by a constant supply of young talent.
 
Other than Southgate, there’s zero reason we shouldn’t be in the final in a few weeks. The draw has been incredibly favourable (again).

Time for him to finally make good on the squad and luck he’s been given.
 
Other than Southgate, there’s zero reason we shouldn’t be in the final in a few weeks. The draw has been incredibly favourable (again).

Time for him to finally make good on the squad and luck he’s been given.
Frankly he needs to fail with a favourable draw

That's the only way that The FA might stop sitting on their hands and realise that for all their overhyping of 2018 that came down to to a clearly favourable draw, he remains the only England manager to lose three matches at a World Cup
 
Only England manager to lose three matches at a World Cup

And one of only 2 win 4 (all be it one was on penalties). I am no great Fan of Southgate but if asked to watch us in Russia, or in Brazil 2014 or South Africa in 2010 then I'll take Gareths side all day long, plus we suppled the core of the team too.

I think Potter has already been tapped up to take over anyway so this will be his swansong.
 
And one of only 2 win 4 (all be it one was on penalties). I am no great Fan of Southgate but if asked to watch us in Russia, or in Brazil 2014 or South Africa in 2010 then I'll take Gareths side all day long, plus we suppled the core of the team too.

I think Potter has already been tapped up to take over anyway so this will be his swansong.
Given it was a favourable draw, winning on penalties is about as impressive as needing a 90th minute goal to beat Tunisia 1-0
 
Given it was a favourable draw, winning on penalties is about as impressive as needing a 90th minute goal to beat Tunisia 1-0

It was 2-1 and a wins a win, no worse than various other single goal wins over african opponents in various other world cups if we are being honest. And as for the penalties it remains our only penalty shoot out victory in the world cup.
 
You lot are so negative.

England are still in the tournament. Keep the faith.

I really don't mean this the wrong way but my impression is that you're more optimistic and forgiving when it comes to England and its team than when it comes to Spurs and our team. You seem to have more faith in Southgate than you do Ange.

Apologies if I've overstepped or misunderstood, I'm just making an observation.
 
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I really don't mean this the wrong way but my impression is that you're more optimistic and forgiving when it comes to England and its team than when it comes to Spurs and our team. You seem to have more faith in Southgate than you do Ange.

Apologies if I've overstepped or misunderstood, I'm just making an observation.

On the first : no.
On the second : right to reply ...
 
I really don't mean this the wrong way but my impression is that you're more optimistic and forgiving when it comes to England and its team than when it comes to Spurs and our team. You seem to have more faith in Southgate than you do Ange.

Apologies if I've overstepped or misunderstood, I'm just making an observation.
Just a reminder, you are talking to someone who watched Serbia vs Denmark the other night out of spite

...and still had running commentary for the England match, because football coverage in this country is a professional operation