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Trau Morgus said:
Even though I left because of the Allams my first major jolt and disappointment was away at Anfield when Gerrard fouled Turner twice and we ended up with a 2-2 draw.

Was the first time I'd ever been told to sit down by my own fans. Was a gutting day. It was then I really knew supporting football had changed.

I really thought what's the point? Football was being aimed at the happy clappers. That was fine if us non- happy clappers were left alone to stand and sing together. But they don't want that.

They want a product. They want something to sell. And anyone that stands in their way gets flattened.

Day in day out the masses go to work and make the country tick over. Drones, but the most important people in the country as we keep it going. Keeping the rich, rich. As always.

And now? Control of our past-time. Our joy. Football. The more happy clappers, the better for them. Sell the masses a product with no questions, reap the rewards. The rich get richer. As always.

Then step in the Allams.

Football started dying years ago. And many values went with it.

Football needs handing back to the 'core fans', before it disappears into a million magnolia coloured fields, never to be seen in its true, wonderful form ever again.
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I don't necessarily understand this sort of observation, of wanting a "product" as the "product" in question generally revolves around passionate and loud support for teams in the PL.

I think there needs to be a move towards "active support" areas, as we have in Australia, and I believe Palace have either implemented, or have proposed. Have a bay in the Away end, and one of the home ends labelled "active support" and allow the people there to stand if they wish, and to carry on how they want (within reason of course). No one can complain about standing in those instances.
 
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I was disappointed at our attendance but in retrospect we had both rugby teams playing, an owner who many despise, problems with the train and tickets weren't on general sale from the word go. But above all else, Wednesday are a much, much bigger club than us; bigger than Leeds in fact, making them Yorkshire's biggest club. We're not a big club, let's face it. Most of our success has been in the last 8 years of our 112 year history. We've won nowt of significance in those 112 years despite coming painfully close two year ago. We're not a big club but we can be. Establish ourselves as a Premier League team and get rid of the yo-yo club reputation and we'll slowly but surely be on the road to becoming a big club. Get kids supporting City at a young age. I was teased a bit at primary and secondary school for supporting City by my mates and others who A: preferred rugby and B: 'supported' the likes of Utd and Liverpool. Those kids obviously had parents who were just as much of an arsehole as them. Luckily for me my best mates who I met at sixth form were all passionate and exclusively city supporters.
 
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Voltaire said:
I was disappointed at our attendance but in retrospect we had both rugby teams playing, an owner who many despise, problems with the train and tickets weren't on general sale from the word go. But above all else, Wednesday are a much, much bigger club than us; bigger than Leeds in fact, making them Yorkshire's biggest club. We're not a big club, let's face it. Most of our success has been in the last 8 years of our 106 year history. We've won nowt of significance in those 106 years despite coming painfully close two year ago. We're not a big club but we can be. Establish ourselves as a Premier League team and get rid of the yo-yo club reputation and we'll slowly but surely be on the road to becoming a big club. Get kids supporting City at a young age. I was teased a bit at primary and secondary school for supporting City by my mates and others who A: preferred rugby and B: 'supported' the likes of Utd and Liverpool. Those kids obviously had parents who were just as much of an arsehole as them. Luckily for me my best mates who I met at sixth form were all passionate and exclusively city supporters.
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106 years? did you deduct some for the wars?
 
Voltaire said:
I was disappointed at our attendance but in retrospect we had both rugby teams playing, an owner who many despise, problems with the train and tickets weren't on general sale from the word go. But above all else, Wednesday are a much, much bigger club than us; bigger than Leeds in fact, making them Yorkshire's biggest club. We're not a big club, let's face it. Most of our success has been in the last 8 years of our 112 year history. We've won nowt of significance in those 112 years despite coming painfully close two year ago. We're not a big club but we can be. Establish ourselves as a Premier League team and get rid of the yo-yo club reputation and we'll slowly but surely be on the road to becoming a big club. Get kids supporting City at a young age. I was teased a bit at primary and secondary school for supporting City by my mates and others who A: preferred rugby and B: 'supported' the likes of Utd and Liverpool. Those kids obviously had parents who were just as much of an arsehole as them. Luckily for me my best mates who I met at sixth form were all passionate and exclusively city supporters.
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I actually thought this post was taking the piss to begin with.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
I actually thought this post was taking the piss to begin with.
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Nope. Another thing I can't stand are people who don't attend games but think their opinions matter. Like those living in Convict Colonial Island.
 
Voltaire said:
Nope. Another thing I can't stand are people who don't attend games but think their opinions matter. Like those living in Convict Colonial Island.
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Lol **** off.

I didn't say that you didn't make a good point later in your post, just when you said Sheff Weds were bigger than Leeds you were mocking Sheff Weds fans.

Get off your high horse.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Lol **** off.

I didn't say that you didn't make a good point later in your post, just when you said Sheff Weds were bigger than Leeds you were mocking Sheff Weds fans.

Get off your high horse.
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Sheffield Wednesday are a bigger club than Leeds.
 
I`m afraid I don`t understand all this `big` club stereotyping. There are a number of clubs who are successful in one form or another, there are clubs that are better supported then others, both Sheff Wed and Leeds do have fan bases much larger then ours, but how do you compare their achievements to ours in recent history of the last 12 years for instance. We have had 5 promotions, appeared at Wembley 4 times, been runners up in the FA Cup, played 4 seasons in the Premier league with a fifth imminent, and appeared in Europe. Both Wednesday and Leeds historically have been successful, but they aren`t now, and haven`t been for many years, their fans refer to them as big clubs, but I`m afraid they are only well supported clubs. At present we are by far and away more successful, so are we a `big` club per say ???

The `big` club status for me is a myth, its little man syndrome, or like owning a porsche when ya tadger is 3" long, merely a comfort blanket for those who believe they should get success, but aren`t.
 
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Bournemouth, little club, Southampton little club, Portsmouth big club.

Bournemouth pissed off their long standing fans, they disregarded previous support and put everyone who applied for season tickets into a ballot.

Southampton got rid of consessions in the two central parts of the stadium. Season tickets are £875 for seats on the half way line for everyone. Son in Law and Grandson (13 ) will pay over £1000 for their season tickets.

Portsmouth now owned by supporters average gate over 15k in league two.

Being a big club is not dependant on where you are in the tables, it is about the core support and how others club compare with that support.

As a supporter base we should stop trying to be something we are not, Hull City is not a big club. It is just Hull City.
 
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The Omega Man said:
Bournemouth, little club, Southampton little club, Portsmouth big club.

Bournemouth pissed off their long standing fans, they disregarded previous support and put everyone who applied for season tickets into a ballot.

Southampton got rid of consessions in the two central parts of the stadium. Season tickets are £875 for seats on the half way line for everyone. Son in Law and Grandson (13 ) will pay over £1000 for their season tickets.

Portsmouth now owned by supporters average gate over 15k in league two.

Being a big club is not dependant on where you are in the tables, it is about the core support and how others club compare with that support.

As a supporter base we should stop trying to be something we are not, Hull City is not a big club. It is just Hull City.
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Too right, I'm glad Leicester didn't try to be something they're not!

There is nothing 'just' about Hull City. We are Hull City and we can do whatever we set our minds to. On and off the field.
 
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The Omega Man said:
Bournemouth, little club, Southampton little club, Portsmouth big club.

Bournemouth pissed off their long standing fans, they disregarded previous support and put everyone who applied for season tickets into a ballot.

Southampton got rid of consessions in the two central parts of the stadium. Season tickets are £875 for seats on the half way line for everyone. Son in Law and Grandson (13 ) will pay over £1000 for their season tickets.

Portsmouth now owned by supporters average gate over 15k in league two.

Being a big club is not dependant on where you are in the tables, it is about the core support and how others club compare with that support.

As a supporter base we should stop trying to be something we are not, Hull City is not a big club. It is just Hull City.
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Disagree about Southampton being a little club.
You are correct about Hull City. Though for decades many of us thought if only we get get to the top flight and have some success we had the potential to be a big club,more at least as big as one with similar sized populations, Sunderland, Leicester and others...Unfortunately when our dreams came about the opportunity was completely wasted.
 
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Castro's Coffin said:
Disagree about Southampton being a little club.
You are correct about Hull City. Though for decades many of us thought if only we get get to the top flight and have some success we had the potential to be a big club,more at least as big as one with similar sized populations, Sunderland, Leicester and others...Unfortunately when our dreams came about the opportunity was completely wasted.
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We've just been handed another chance, touch wood the Allams will **** off, and some more enlightened people will buy it.
 
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