How long do we give him?

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Well, this says it all for me, as I have NEVER heard anyone complain about either of the Murphys, but complain that they don't always get picked to make way for Naismith/Wes. Some of the comment on the article are also questioniung what AN is saying - "Neil said: “I think the disappointing thing for me was I could hear some of the fans getting on their backs a little bit.
You’ve got two young lads, they’re going to become special players, and you need to allow them to make errors at times. I can assure you I’m as frustrated as anybody else but it’s going to happen and they’re going to get better and better.
They’re young lads, they’re going to, at times, lose the ball or make wrong decisions, but if they’re going to develop we need to persevere with them. The two of them are special.”

Just a shame we can't say the same of AN!!!!!
Full article here - http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwic...l_urges_fans_to_lay_off_the_murphys_1_4692349
 
I think AN was referring to fans at the game, Braveheart. The injuries have opened up an opportunity for both Murphys and IMO they've taken it well. AN is right to say that we have to be patient with the mistakes they make and it is poor if fans have been getting on their backs about it. Hopefully Josh's 'worldie' will shut them up if they have.
 
RiverEndRick said:
I think AN was referring to fans at the game, Braveheart. The injuries have opened up an opportunity for both Murphys and IMO they've taken it well. AN is right to say that we have to be patient with the mistakes they make and it is poor if fans have been getting on their backs about it. Hopefully Josh's 'worldie' will shut them up if they have.
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I'm sure he was Rick, but I've been to most home games this season and certainly haven't heard any negative comments directed at either twin.
I agree re Josh's goal and CJ's was a result of Jacob's shot which the keeper could only parry. IMO, both twins will prove to be an upgrade on Redmond, as long as they're development is handled properly.
 
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Just read the updates on the EDP article and VAST majority were certainly supporting the twins and wanting them to succeed. If either or both pay tomorrow, I'll certainly give them my vocal support.
 
Braveheart said:
Just read the updates on the EDP article and VAST majority were certainly supporting the twins and wanting them to succeed. If either or both pay tomorrow, I'll certainly give them my vocal support.
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If they throw in a meat pie I'll join you
 
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Braveheart said:
Thanks for posting that link and it's now making more sense as to why we can't recruit the players we'd like to come to CR.
Our purchase of RvW is now looking like it was one of the biggest mistakes we ever made!!! <doh>
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I would contend that Naismith could very easily trump the RvW mistake. If a PL club like sunderland can't afford to buy him out of his current wages then we clearly haven't put in a sufficient relegation clause. Whether this was the same for Ricky I don't know but if it was (Given our inability to offload him till his contracts final year I suspenct it was) then Naismith has to be worse because it would infer that we haden't learnt from the Ricky mistake.
Naismith of course could yet come good, but he really needs to pull his socks up and start playing like he gives a sh#t.

Bah!
 
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canary-dave said:
Latest piece from MFW. Worth a read!
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This was the stand-out paragraph for me <ok>

"It’s a bonus that they’re home-grown; the main thing is they’re shining young players clearly committed to City. Perhaps we can switch some of the love that seems to be reserved for Kyle Lafferty to the deserving Jacob and Josh."

Well said, Stewart.
 
General Melchett said:
I would contend that Naismith could very easily trump the RvW mistake. If a PL club like sunderland can't afford to buy him out of his current wages then we clearly haven't put in a sufficient relegation clause. Whether this was the same for Ricky I don't know but if it was (Given our inability to offload him till his contracts final year I suspenct it was) then Naismith has to be worse because it would infer that we haden't learnt from the Ricky mistake.
Naismith of course could yet come good, but he really needs to pull his socks up and start playing like he gives a sh#t.

Bah!
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You're last sentence says it all and apart from a VERY occasional glimpse of what he can do, I've seen no evidence of his desire to run his socks off for the team.
I know other posters will come back with statistics of how brilliant he is, but in my book , 'there's lies, damn lies and STATISTICS!!!'
 
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Braveheart said:
You're last sentence says it all and apart from a VERY occasional glimpse of what he can do, I've seen no evidence of his desire to run his socks off for the team.
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We've all seen enough football to be able to determine whether someone's giving 100% or nearer 35-40%. Bradley Johnson was never the most gifted footballer on the planet, but what he lacked in class, he made up for in work-rate.
Naismith, despite what some might say in his defence, looks like he'd be just as happy sat on the bench as long as the wage cheques kept rolling in :(
 
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Cromercanary said:
We've all seen enough football to be able to determine whether someone's giving 100% or nearer 35-40%. Bradley Johnson was never the most gifted footballer on the planet, but what he lacked in class, he made up for in work-rate.
Naismith, despite what some might say in his defence, looks like he'd be just as happy sat on the bench as long as the wage cheques kept rolling in :(
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And I'm guessing he's on pretty high wages as well
 
Cromercanary said:
Well, if couldn't agree the personal terms of a transfer to Prem Sunderland last month you'd have to assume somewhere between gross and astronomical <yikes>
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Naismith is on high wages, as are Klose and Pinto probably, simply because that's what happens when you recruit quality players in the January window. Had Naismith not signed there would have been accusations of 'the club lacks ambition' when we were desperately trying to survive in the PL. We also desperately needed a goal-scoring AM to offer another option to Wes. Naismith started well, but then picked up an injury. I don't believe Sunderland couldn't afford his wages or that Klose's couldn't be afforded either, it was just that PL clubs thought they could screw a relegated club to their own benefit. I'm glad that they weren't able to. AN showed on Saturday that no player is guaranteed a place in the line-up (or on the bench come to that). Like any other player, Naismith will have to fight for a place in the team and with Pritchard available now, that may well prove difficult, but that's the way it should be.

The last 3 MFW articles have highlighted the issues around this and our player recruitment and Mick Dennis has done well to dispel some of the myths that have been put forward. Keeping players like Klose and Brady was a major success, but that was also at the cost of recruiting new players as well. Like others, I was disappointed that we didn't recruit another striker, but I was also glad that we signed Pritchard instead of McCormack. Much will depend on how he and Naismith contribute to our promotion push. I think they will, but time will tell.
 
RiverEndRick said:
Naismith is on high wages, as are Klose and Pinto probably, simply because that's what happens when you recruit quality players in the January window. Had Naismith not signed there would have been accusations of 'the club lacks ambition' when we were desperately trying to survive in the PL. We also desperately needed a goal-scoring AM to offer another option to Wes. Naismith started well, but then picked up an injury. I don't believe Sunderland couldn't afford his wages or that Klose's couldn't be afforded either, it was just that PL clubs thought they could screw a relegated club to their own benefit. I'm glad that they weren't able to. AN showed on Saturday that no player is guaranteed a place in the line-up (or on the bench come to that). Like any other player, Naismith will have to fight for a place in the team and with Pritchard available now, that may well prove difficult, but that's the way it should be.

The last 3 MFW articles have highlighted the issues around this and our player recruitment and Mick Dennis has done well to dispel some of the myths that have been put forward. Keeping players like Klose and Brady was a major success, but that was also at the cost of recruiting new players as well. Like others, I was disappointed that we didn't recruit another striker, but I was also glad that we signed Pritchard instead of McCormack. Much will depend on how he and Naismith contribute to our promotion push. I think they will, but time will tell.
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It definitely wouldn't be that Sunderland couldn't afford Naismith, it could be perhaps that they thought £XXK per week!!!!! On your bike son. Every player has their worth and Naismith in SUnderlands book wasn't worth matching/exceeding what we are paying him. Thats worrying.

Bah!
 
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General Melchett said:
It definitely wouldn't be that Sunderland couldn't afford Naismith, it could be perhaps that they thought £XXK per week!!!!! On your bike son. Every player has their worth and Naismith in SUnderlands book wasn't worth matching/exceeding what we are paying him. Thats worrying.
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It presumably means one of two things.
Either Sunderland are tight wads, despite the increased PL revenue this season, or we're paying the guy ludicrous amounts of money for which (so far) there's been precious little return <yikes>
 
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Cromercanary said:
It presumably means one of two things.
Either Sunderland are tight wads, despite the increased PL revenue this season, or we're paying the guy ludicrous amounts of money for which (so far) there's been precious little return <yikes>
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Could be a bit of both, Cromer. The worth of our actions and theirs will be judged by what happens this season. If we gain promotion, then it won't be a problem (big if, I know). If Sunderland are relegated, however, they may well have regrets. Given that they are now second bottom with 1 point from 4 games after being thrashed 3-0 at home by Everton last night, Moyes may already be having regrets. As I say, time will tell.
 
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