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MD 20/20 said:
You club has Irish heritage not IRA heritage you didn't help fund them so the link between Celtic and any form of the IRA is mythical, we play football in scotland not terrorize people (and that goes for any paramilitary, loyalist or republican).
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Yet, you demand that the poppy - a political symbol of British 'terrorism' to the many Irish who support Celtic, be recognized?

....and incidentally - do you not consider sending bullets in the post to the Celtic manager as 'terrorizing' people?
 
Poppies to me celebrate those lost in WWI and WWII so its no terrorism symbol to me - and yes sending bullets to anyone is terrorizing people but thats not the subject the subject is you trying to claim that your club has links to IRA when it doesn't it has links to Irish immigrants not Irish terrorists and that is what they are in the same way so are loyalist paramilitaries.
 
MD 20/20 said:
Poppies to me celebrate those lost in WWI and WWII so its no terrorism symbol to me - and yes sending bullets to anyone is terrorizing people but thats not the subject the subject is you trying to claim that your club has links to IRA when it doesn't it has links to Irish immigrants not Irish terrorists and that is what they are in the same way so are loyalist paramilitaries.
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I have not claimed that 'my club' has links to the IRA - where have I said that???? I understand that the funding raised from promoting and selling poppies goes to support all military personnel - including those who perpetrated terrorism, on behalf of the British state, in Ireland - which many Irish Celtic supporters have experienced. It is not surprising therefore that the Irish fans of the club find it abhorrent and the blinkered views and double standards that such as you and others apply to this situation is astounding. It would be good to find an agreeable solution to the problem but I think that, unless the Irish fans' perspective is recognized and understood, it is unlikely to happen!
 
All well and good Bollo, but this is about offensive songs, not sectarian or racist ones.
 
To think that 'politics' can be left out of football is, I believe, very naive. Politics pervade all sports - as well as practically every other aspect of public life and cannot easily be definitively and morally defined in terms of sectarianism or racism. In respect of songs or indeed language, being 'offensive' - there will always be some section or other offended in this new 'PC' world (which, as a universal sceptic, I have my suspicions as to the reasons for its seemingly sinister promotion by the powers that be!). Lawyers must be rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of the mess that will undoubtedly generate a profitable business for them....could it be they who are behind all of this 'PC' business in the first place?
 
As a proud Irish republican I don't think there is anything wrong with the songs. As an Irishman living in England I can see how some people could consider them offensive though. We need to cut the songs out if they can get our club in trouble......end of story. We can still sing them in the boozer afterwards
 
MalteseMick said:
I don't quite know how to articulate my frustration with this situation without seeming as if I'm supporting Celtic supporters right to sing to IRA songs. It's not so much that I would like them to or want to be able to sing them myself, it's more the double standards across different parts of the United Kingdom when it comes to the Irish situation - and how one side has been criminalised while the other made heroes.

To summarise my frustration, I grew up with English and Scottish soldiers pointing guns at me every day in Belfast, yet in Glasgow it's illegal for me to sing a song. Belfast and Glasgow are both in the United Kingdom, all of the innocent victims of the British Army were also British citizens. What makes it ok to send your army into my county but not ok for me to sing about it in yours? Why does it seem that the rest of British society gets to wear Poppies and collect money for people who fought on the British side of that war - but I have to shut up and be ashamed about the people who fought on my side - or else I could be arrested!
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<wah> one struggle

they gave their today for your tommorrow
 
Chelsea were caught singing racist songs at their last away game in Genk , where is the uefa investigation into them ???their club is in the process of trying to catch them , yet our club is going to get punished for what ??? The here say of a bigoted strathclyde policeman
 
anportmorbhoy said:
As a proud Irish republican I don't think there is anything wrong with the songs. As an Irishman living in England I can see how some people could consider them offensive though. We need to cut the songs out if they can get our club in trouble......end of story. We can still sing them in the boozer afterwards
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There are many proud Irish republicans who follow Celtic - I can see why the sing about the IRA. However, there are many - Id say the majority - of Celtic fans who are Scottish. For me, I see no connection between Celtic and songs about the IRA.

Sing about the IRA all you want but cut it out at the football as it will demage Celtic...
 
harryhood67 said:
Chelsea were caught singing racist songs at their last away game in Genk , where is the uefa investigation into them ???their club is in the process of trying to catch them , yet our club is going to get punished for what ??? The here say of a bigoted strathclyde policeman
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Forget the other clubs Harry, Celtic should be your concern - no need for whataboterry!
 
RebelBhoy said:
majority of who?

There isn't a club participating in any Uefa competition whose supporters don't sing "offensive" songs.
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The majority of Celtic fans are Scottish.

Any links they have with Ireland are tenious at best. In my opinion, the majority of these people feel that songs about the IRA are no longer required and, I'd hope, would find them uncessary (I was maybe a little strong in saying all would find them offensive but a fair section of people do find them offensive and/or distasteful).

IMO: There is no connection between Celtic FC and the IRA. Stop singing them at the football and stop Celtic getting punished.

If you want to continue and be bloody minded about it, then so be it but Celtic may be punished. Forget about the other clubs - lets concentrate on "ours" a make sure they escape punishments.

If it happens: You think continous fines will do Celtic any good?
 
RebelBhoy said:
All well and good Bollo, but this is about offensive songs, not sectarian or racist ones.
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That ol'chestnut being played again. In the cold light of day there's no difference. They're offensive and have no place in football. The consequences clearly werent fully thought out right by the clypes.

Some people started something. To see it out they would have to make a sacrifice to see their rivals punished. now that its their turn to hold the moral high ground they can't hack it. Hypocrites!
 
BolloBollo said:
That ol'chestnut being played again. In the cold light of day there's no difference. They're offensive and have no place in football. The consequences clearly werent fully thought out right by the clypes.

Some people started something. To see it out they would have to make a sacrifice to see their rivals punished. now that its their turn to hold the moral high ground they can't hack it. Hypocrites!
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Have the Celtic fans been found guilty? Another thick hun.
 
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