Hope Powell

Karma is a real bitch i agree, 3 relegations after cheating to buy success and trophies with money you dont have proves that.

 

A sweeping statement is when you generalize a whole group based on one, or very few, examples. I was not generalizing a whole group. I did not say all women are less authoritative etc. I said most women are less authoritative. It was not a sweeping statement as I acknowledged that there will be considerable exceptions to the rule.

In terms of what you say about there being nothing wrong with supporting equality, I couldn't agree more. I'm happy to put my neck on the line and say I support equality more than most, as politically I'm a Marxist, and that's an extreme version of equality. I agree that if there were a women with a suitable set of abilities, then of course they should be given the job. If I were a chairmen, and I had the choice between a man and a woman, and the woman was more suited, obviously I would choose the woman. I just argue that as a football manager, it is more likely to be the man who is best suited to the job due to his inherent advantages. It will not always be the man of course, but more often than not the man will make a better football manager than the women, for my aforementioned reasons.

On your last point, I agree again actually. I tend to get the impression that young people are less inclined to fulfill the alpha male stereotype than previous generations. In other words, yes, men can be seen nowadays as perhaps less authoritative and having greater 'soft skills'. Nevertheless, men compared to women still command more authority. Similarly, women compared to men still have greater 'soft skills'. But for me, commanding the authority of the dressing room is a necessary prerequisite of success as a manager, and for that reason there will always, or at least in the foreseeable future, be more successful men than successful women as managers of football teams.

 

As Fatletiss says I could quote more authoritative or physical women than most men (the aforementioned Maggie Thatcher, Fatimer Whitbread, etc). As for men not running away with emotions, come on guys how many times have you followed a part of your anatomy in making a decision

 

I think that somewhere in amongst this, we agree a bit, possibly at the core, and maybe not so around the edges.

A good, fair discussion though.

My final point on the female football manager is that today, it is more likely to be a man because of yesterday, and years of it being a man's environment, not necessarily because of male advantages.

 

Because Thatcher represents the typical woman doesn't she? Oh no hang on a minute, women like her are in the tiny minority.

As for making decisions ruled by your dick that tends to be decisions involving sex. I don't think you can extrapolate that to general manegerial decisions.

 

By God I do believe he's got it!

 

She was manager of Southampton Saints Ladies and Girls FC (or whatever it's called). Got them promoted to the National Division (back when it was the top division in the country), then kept them up the following season before being replaced by a man which I think was seriously harsh.

 

The fact half the better players disappeared to other clubs or just gave up didn't have any baring then PL? Or was it just because a man took over? Also do you know the full circumstances as to why she left? Somehow I don't think so.........

 

Southampton Ladies have won the FA Cup 8 times, ironically in 1976 one of the times!

 

Nope, but from Wikipedia it sounds like she didn't leave of her own accord and it's unlikely to have been for footballing reasons: http://www.thisishampshire.net/arch...ts_women_s_top_football_job_given_to___a_man/

From that article, it sounds like the club took the piss somewhat and it may not be, but it does sound an awful lot like she was replaced by a man because of her gender. And who's to say the better players disappearing to other clubs wasn't in response to the way the club acted towards her?

Edit: I feel need to say, my views are not born out of an anti-Saints sentiment, but I just think the principle of getting rid of decent female manager just because she's a woman (if I am correct in my assertion) is all wrong and I'd be livid if Portsmouth did something like that.

 

It's wrong to sack a women manager and replace her with a man in chick football, that obvious to anyone. Women should manage the women and men the blokes. You cant have members of the opposite sex managing and being in the dressing room. Any normal bloke would be having a butcher's at the hot ones, when they should be concentrating on the job in hand. It may also give the 10 pinters an inferiority complex. Having a member of the opposite sex around could fracture team spirit, and put off potential signings.

 

You can't blame everything on it being 'a mans world'.

 

I didn't.

What he said was correct. There are more men in football today than women, and more previously too. So thusly managers are way more likely to be male due to the infinitely wider available talent pool. I can't see an opportunity for disagreeing with that really!

 

Back to square one.....

 

I was trying to remember the last time I heard anyone in real life call women "chicks". I honestly think it must be over 20 years ago. Where's this guy been?

 

Yet he gets his proverbial knickers in a twist when you don't 'respect' his opinion. It's a fight not worth signing up for I'm afraid.

 

Johnny Bravo is his idol.

As is Duke Nukem.

 

I fear it may be more Jim Davidson.....

 

Well Johnny Bravo could be amusing and when he wasn't being misogynistic, Duke Nukem had some good one-liners "It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of gum"

 

It's amazing how some sweeping generalisations are OK? Most of the people I've met round here, who chunter about muslims, vote Labour! Most UKIP voters I've spoken to, are more interested in leaving the European closed shop. (The clue is in the name).