I am in 2 minds as to whether we should start again, after telling AA and the council to **** off ................... or whether to accept the name change. I can see benefits to both sides.
He's gone and done it again....
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We had the opportunity to test how many against Chelsea. The OSC had everything ready and the club threatened them if they went ahead.
There are two questions remaining.
How professional will be the CTWD's presentation to the FA?
Do the FA want to Americanise English football by allowing clubs to change their name?
The fat lady is about to sing and we'll find out soon enough. The decision will, of course, be what the FA wants, not CTWD, not Happy Tiger and not Assem Allam. You pays your money and you takes your choice, the wheel is about to stop.
I think the Co-op, given a promise of shares in Hull City, could raise more than Assem Allam will from his name change.
Not the guy who's ran up £70m of debt in the club's name then?
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Sometimes in life you just have to move out of your comfort zone and service £70m of debt with no income. Everyday problems really isn't it?
how very arrogant of you sir.
just cos one point of view differs, the WUM die is cast?
everything must be great in your world.
oh I wish I was you, with your simplistic view on the world.
Lincoln Tiger
Well-Known Member
Happy, I have no agenda and belong to no sub-groups. I hope you've noted that I'm not some reactionary poster (with the odd exception of course, when Agron has spouted his jaundiced shoite). I'm just a mild mannered Hull City fan in his early 50s who has seen the side during some of their worst days and in some of their best days. Now, what I'm offering here isn't scientific or empirical evidence, but I DO NOT want the name change. I meet through my job, hundreds and hundreds of people many of whom are football fans, and many of whom are Hull City fans. No one that I know, except for just one supporter, wants the name change and he started following us in 2008. A few people that I know are resigned to it, because they are scared of what Allam might do. I understand that.
I do not hold any grudge or hatred of Mr. Allam, I am glad he in came in, I am glad he's done many of the things that he has done for the club. However, my professional background provides me with all I need to know about the so called marketing plan by name change. It is nonsense - believe me it really is nonsense of the first order. Moving on...
If you give a gift - you do not put conditions on it. Would you do that with gifts? Seriously, would you?
Finally, my brother was still working in broadcasting (as was my professional background before academia), at the time of the Allam/council meeting and so I know some of what went on with that meeting. I'll give you a hint, Allam's veiled threat to the FA was pretty much how he reacted when told he couldn't have the stadium for free. He has a right to kick off all he likes, that's his prerogative, but the council (and I'm no fan of them) remembered only too well the actions of a former owner locking us out. They would have been hung out to dry by everyone if they had handed over the stadium to someone who behaved in a less than stable way during negotiations. I would not have had a problem with the stadium (bought with shares in trust for the people of Hull) being sold to Allam, however, he had a problem with being asked if he wanted to buy it. I love that fact that my club has a brilliant ground to play in, I have no time whatsoever for Dull FC (as I follow RU also), but I am really glad that they have a brilliant ground to play in too. However, it is not right that non-supporters, non-sports folks are asked to subsidise us in this way. For once, the council did the right thing.
Again I am grateful - nay very grateful to Mr Allam, but he's simply a custodian of the club that is all. What the supporters think about the name change IS IMPORTANT. Heritage and history, unless you (not you personally of course) has a mindset of a 'here today gone tomorrow, who gives a 'feck' type' it is important in knowing who we are and where we come from. Understanding our past is key to understanding our future, whether that be war, race, sporting events and organisations, disasters, politics or even just buildings, family heirlooms etc, it is part and parcel of our culture and what makes us proud of where we come from and what we are. You can't always put a price on that. I'm not sure, despite coming from a country rich in history and culture, that Allam totally understands that about the British and especially the British football fan. I even moved back to the city of my birth because I am proud of coming from Hull, and glad that Hull folks won't be pushed around and they'll question decisions and ideas.
Sorry this is an overlong rant, but I felt moved to write it.
UTT
f**ks sake!!
will people stop saying that he doesn't own the club?
he pumped in £60 odd million of his own cash to bail out the club, I understand that everyone is grateful but, until it is floated on the stock exchange and you limp dicks can buy shares, you don't have a say!
Can the FA FORCE the sale of the KC to AA, on the grounds that they are holding back the progress of the club?
will people stop saying that he doesn't own the club?
he pumped in £60 odd million of his own cash to bail out the club, I understand that everyone is grateful but, until it is floated on the stock exchange and you limp dicks can buy shares, you don't have a say!
Can the FA FORCE the sale of the KC to AA, on the grounds that they are holding back the progress of the club?
Lincoln Tiger
Well-Known Member
Not unless you think the FA have more power than a democratically elected council, I think not. It has nothing to do with the FA who owns the KC. As long as it meets the H&S requirements.
It's fairly obvious to everyone that owning a football club is very different to owning probably any other type of business. Just in the same way as owning a listed building is different to owning a suburban semi. There are rules and regulations, and supporters who have say in every aspect of that business, whether the owner likes it or not. Assem Allam obviously did not research the business of football before he bought the business, he didn't even know how much the debt was until he had dived in head first.
I know absolutely nothing about the business of rugby league, I would not be foolish enough to think that because I have run a totally different but successful business for 25 years that I could run Hull FC.
Ever thought of getting out of your wife's comfort zone and going to matches in December? A good job 23,000 others aren't so under the thumb.
If your business had been running a whelk stall you could probably do a better job at FC who have had a succession of owners who couldn't run a whelk stall.
why the hell would you want that team of Kosovan supported losers?
KR is where it's at!
Your tampon must be ****ing soaked by now.
You're such an oddball, stop saying thick things.
He didn't. He said it was an aspiration. Only a ****wit took it as a promise to implement within a couple of years. Only a ****wit would think it possible when the club is losing money.
And only a complete ****wit wouldn't realise we have some of the cheapest tickets in the PL and it costs less to eatch City than many Championship,clubs.
all Happy Tigers posts are **** - you should just ignore him - he's an attention seeking ****
It was an aspiration that anyone with a basic knowledge of football business would know was unatainable and unrealistic.
Who has said that?
He didn't pump in £60m of his own money he sold us a loan.
Ridiculous
I remember when I was a kid people used to say Kosovan when they meant anyone foreign and I didn't understand it then any more than I do now.
Only a ****wit would be able to get promoted to the PL and still lose £70m. People talk about us losing money as if it lets him off. He's the reason!
Absolutely disgusting man! How dare these people who have been around for generations and over 100 years tell him what he can and can't do with the 'business' he has owned for a few years!
It's a horrible situation but I really think the best option is for Hull fans to stand their ground and if he goes then you're rid of him. It may lead to financial trouble and a relegation or two but you'll have your club back.
Football is so much more than just staying in the Premier League and though it hurts to see your club weaken when an investor backs out, the important thing is that it is still YOUR club.
The fans have the support of pretty much everyone who gives a damn about football so please, don't back down and accept this dickhead's ego trip as par for the course. Stand up and be a proud fan of Hull City, not a customer of the Egyptian Hull Tigers Marketing Company Inc.
It's a horrible situation but I really think the best option is for Hull fans to stand their ground and if he goes then you're rid of him. It may lead to financial trouble and a relegation or two but you'll have your club back.
Football is so much more than just staying in the Premier League and though it hurts to see your club weaken when an investor backs out, the important thing is that it is still YOUR club.
The fans have the support of pretty much everyone who gives a damn about football so please, don't back down and accept this dickhead's ego trip as par for the course. Stand up and be a proud fan of Hull City, not a customer of the Egyptian Hull Tigers Marketing Company Inc.