Henderson for Neil ...

[Smug in Boots]

For me this has nothing to do with ability or usefulness, it's not a football question at all.

It boils down to whether or not you agree with the morality of what he's done.

It's entirely up to him, of course, whether he continues his career or holds his hands out for a bag of gold. After Liverpool he could've gone to plenty of other clubs and be very well paid. He could've, as people have, given something back in England by passing on his experience to young players here. Instead it was all about the money and nothing else ...

... sadly that seems to be where football is heading, some don't even want to have to play as much.

does your ability to not see past his move to Saudi extend to the abundance of lads from the north east who work for Middle Eastern oil and gas operators?

not entirely sure what this sentiment achieves and where the line is drawn

Not many engineers are role models and local heroes tbf.

 

[rooch 3]

Well at the moment it’s about 30 against and 3 for, so I guess there’s your answer. Sunderland fans don’t want the old greedy twat anywhere near the club.

 

[Disco down under]

Sorry, but that is absolute nonsense. Whether you like him or not, he won both the PL and CL whilst playing at a much higher level than we are currently at and captaining much better players for both club and country. To even mention O’nien in the same breathe as him is laughable.. That Liverpool team were one of the best to ever play in the PL. Nothing to do with him being a local lad.

That's fantastic for him but it's history at this point.

He's had two failed moves since then and is clearly past it.

I see absolutely no current reason as to why we would bring him back at all.

 

[Disco down under]

For me this has nothing to do with ability or usefulness, it's not a football question at all.

It boils down to whether or not you agree with the morality of what he's done.

It's entirely up to him, of course, whether he continues his career or holds his hands out for a bag of gold. After Liverpool he could've gone to plenty of other clubs and be very well paid. He could've, as people have, given something back in England by passing on his experience to young players here. Instead it was all about the money and nothing else ...

... sadly that seems to be where football is heading, some don't even want to have to play as much.




Not many engineers are role models and local heroes tbf.

Get what you're saying completely but that's a long and drawn out debate we've had 45 times since he signed on to take his blood money.

The fact that he's clearly finished in the game kind of puts it to bed.

 

[Yorkie]

We’d have Henderson/Samed as the options at DM and Neil/Rigg/Bellingham/Browne for the other two midfield positions. I’ve said for a long time I don’t think Neil is as good as some make out and I stand by that, he’s decent at this level but he’s not a stand out performer for me. How often do you come away from games and say “Wow Neil was brilliant today wasn’t he?”

You look at Bellingham, he looks quality and he’s 4 years younger than Neil. He takes games by the scruff of the neck already and tries to make things happen. Rigg shows glimpses of real class albeit he’s still very young and looks to be more of a 60 minute player at the minute. If Neil was as good as people make out he should be head and shoulders above this level by now and I’m not sure he is. Do I think we’d be any worse off having Henderson in the team over Neil as the 6? Absolutely not. He obviously won’t have the legs he used to but plenty of other teams in the division have older lads as their 6 and they manage fine. The experience he’d bring in would be invaluable, it would be like having another manager on the pitch.

All just my own opinion of course I totally understand people arguing it’s a backward move when we have young lads playing well who don’t deserve to be dropped. He could come in and be useless for all we know but I think it’s worth a shot, we all wanted it before he went to Saudi and there was rumours

Neil is only going to get better, Henderson isn’t. Just because Neil’s stuttered a bit this season, that doesn’t mean he’s still not quality with even more potential. Last season he was the one player no-one wanted to see get injured as no-one could do what he was doing,

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

The fact he put himself forward as footballs beacon of all thing moral, took the money in Saudi, then churned out the usual painted by numbers lies and excuses as to why he'd left his morals in England? Any other footballer i wouldnt have batted an eyelid but if there was one footballer in the whole world that I would have banked my house on of not even considering going to Saudi Arabia it would have been him.

I mean, on the one hand, sending messages of support to fellow footballers coming out as gay for example, then on the other, being a poster boy for, and accepting flipping great wodges of cash from, a society which would hand out death sentences instead.

In general he ended up making himself look a right cock.

 

[williebeams]

For me this has nothing to do with ability or usefulness, it's not a football question at all.

It boils down to whether or not you agree with the morality of what he's done.

It's entirely up to him, of course, whether he continues his career or holds his hands out for a bag of gold. After Liverpool he could've gone to plenty of other clubs and be very well paid. He could've, as people have, given something back in England by passing on his experience to young players here. Instead it was all about the money and nothing else ...

... sadly that seems to be where football is heading, some don't even want to have to play as much.




Not many engineers are role models and local heroes tbf.

but where does the hypocrisy end? What about the myriad of women lining the pockets of primary and perpetuating the use of child labour.

I just find lot of the outrage over Henderson to be faux.

 

[williebeams]

but where does the hypocrisy end? What about the myriad of women lining the pockets of primark and perpetuating the use of child labour.

I just find lot of the outrage over Henderson to be faux.

 

[Disco down under]

but where does the hypocrisy end? What about the myriad of women lining the pockets of primary and perpetuating the use of child labour.

I just find lot of the outrage over Henderson to be faux.

I mean, people who shop at Primark (if that's what you're referring to) are generally relatively not well off people who have little choice but to spend as little as they can on clothes. Worth pointing out that almost all options on the high street use cheap foreign labour. A bunch of Primark shoppers have no power to change this, they don't benefit from it, they are imprisoned by the system.

Jordan Henderson is a multimillionaire who sold out the people he purported to support for more millions to add to his already staggering pile of millions.

These two things are not much like each other at all.

 

[Smug in Boots]

but where does the hypocrisy end? What about the myriad of women lining the pockets of primary and perpetuating the use of child labour.

I just find lot of the outrage over Henderson to be faux.

I'm not outraged, just disappointed.

Henderson's principles were faux, he couldn't have proved that more conclusively.

 

[alcoauth]

Yes, loan swap for the rest of the season.

 

[Essayyeffcee]

I'm not outraged, just disappointed.

I'm outraged that you're only disappointed!

 

[alcoauth]

but where does the hypocrisy end? What about the myriad of women lining the pockets of primary and perpetuating the use of child labour.

I just find lot of the outrage over Henderson to be faux.

Saudi money comes primarily from oil which is used by industrial nations to power their manufacturing as well as keeping homes and cities functioning, why are we mad at the Saudi's? Because they're Muslims and therefore have ethics that are different from ours? The whole thing is a house of cards.

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

Neil is only going to get better, Henderson isn’t. Just because Neil’s stuttered a bit this season, that doesn’t mean he’s still not quality with even more potential. Last season he was the one player no-one wanted to see get injured as no-one could do what he was doing,

Of course - but has he got much better since we came up? The goal is promotion and we need to set ourselves up as best possible to achieve that, and putting one older head amongst the talent we have shouldn’t be seen as a negative. Sam Morsy is 33 and was absolute head and shoulders above Dan Neil last season whilst having a relatively average career before last year.

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

That's fantastic for him but it's history at this point.

He's had two failed moves since then and is clearly passed it.

I see absolutely no current reason as to why we would bring him back at all.

He’s been decent at Ajax? No idea how he got on in Saudi if I’m honest

 

[Disco down under]

He’s been decent at Ajax? No idea how he got on in Saudi if I’m honest

He was in and out of the team with injuries and average form last year as Ajax finished 35 points off top in fifth place. This year his most notable achievement on the pitch is going viral for falling out with a young teammate, story seems to be that he now can't get into the team and he's either shopping himself about or he's being shopped about.

It's been a disaster of a move in footballing terms, it has pretty much finished his career off after his Saudi disaster. Good for getting him out of the desert and going a very small way towards laundering his soiled reputation though.

 

[LD19SAFC]

Not a chance

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

He was in and out of the team with injuries and average form last year as Ajax finished 35 points off top in fifth place. This year his most notable achievement on the pitch is going viral for falling out with a young teammate, story seems to be that he now can't get into the team and he's either shopping himself about or he's being shopped about.

It's been a disaster of a move in footballing terms, it has pretty much finished his career off after his Saudi disaster. Good for getting him out of the desert and going a very small way towards laundering his soiled reputation though.

I don’t think that’s correct mate he only joined Ajax late January and they only lost 2 or 3 times in the league after he joined - ironically he wasn’t on the pitch for any of those losses. They had a torrid start to the season I think new manager came in and they finished fairly strong in comparison to their first half of the season iirc they were bottom or second bottom for a while and still managed europa league qualification which he’s played every game of this season I think.

 

[Disco down under]

I don’t think that’s correct mate he only joined Ajax late January and they only lost 2 or 3 times in the league after he joined - ironically he wasn’t on the pitch for any of those losses. They had a torrid start to the season I think new manager came in and they finished fairly strong in comparison to their first half of the season iirc they were bottom or second bottom for a while and still managed europa league qualification which he’s played every game of this season I think.

I've been following and all I've seen from their fans is scorn to be honest.

I don't read/speak Dutch though so I might be getting a weirdly slanted opinion for a non-representative section of the internet.

 

[Dorset]

The lad has great leadership skills, so may return as a coach, or even head coach one day.

Signing as a player is not for me.