HCST Protest Plans

[Cortez91]

that's the thing , its not meant to be a competition , its meant to be a united protest ... and being honest the cameras .. will they really show cards ? or will they show empty seats ?

There's already going to be empty seats.

The majority of people holding up red cards with messages on them will be visually more impacting.

 

[DMD]

If you're talking about the Fans Forum group - they have 8,298 people in the group. Yet no more than 300 of them are "walking out". Of course, not everybody who have said they are walking out, will walk out/even attend the game. Likewise, some people may walk out who aren't in the group.

All that walkout group is doing is splitting fans up. All for a few people to their opinions over and over as if it counts more than the rest of ours.

You're right DMD - more organisation was needed much earlier for something more united and potentially more effective.

I agree, and they seem to argue exactly the same.

 

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If you're talking about the Fans Forum group - they have 8,298 people in the group. Yet no more than 300 of them are "walking out". Of course, not everybody who have said they are walking out, will walk out/even attend the game. Likewise, some people may walk out who aren't in the group.

All that walkout group is doing is splitting fans up. All for a few people to their opinions over and over as if it counts more than the rest of ours.

You're right DMD - more organisation was needed much earlier for something more united and potentially more effective.

well said and exactly that , as a result the protest will look fractured at best if you ask me

 

[balkan tiger]

Their walkout is going to look ridiculous yet they're deluded enough to think it's going to be effective and everybody is going to do it.

The red card protest will be better supported and look more effective on camera than a few people leaving each exit. Least Sky - broadcasting the game - are aware of the red card protest.

There are some who still don't see the big picture, some were protesting years ago and getting booed for it, some saw the light about the Allams a year ago, some have joined the anti Allam side since the membership scam and the lack of concessions, its hard to believe but there are still some who won't join in with any protest but that's how it is.
If anyone thinks they can organise ( just by telling them on social media ) an effective walkout during the game they should be locked up. The red card protest is the first step and as iv'e said before its easy to arrange, people will do it and it will be talked about on the telly. It may be that the Allams sell and no more protesting is needed, but if further steps are needed the protest can be ramped up, those who shall we say are less radical will have seen that the red card protest was a good thing, no harm came to them by holding up the card, and the team on the pitch didn't run away crying would be more likely to join in with further protests which could in time include an organised walkout.

 

[Cortez91]

There are some who still don't see the big picture, some were protesting years ago and getting booed for it, some saw the light about the Allams a year ago, some have joined the anti Allam side since the membership scam and the lack of concessions, its hard to believe but there are still some who won't join in with any protest but that's how it is.
If anyone thinks they can organise ( just by telling them on social media ) an effective walkout during the game they should be locked up. The red card protest is the first step and as iv'e said before its easy to arrange, people will do it and it will be talked about on the telly. It may be that the Allams sell and no more protesting is needed, but if further steps are needed the protest can be ramped up, those who shall we say are less radical will have seen that the red card protest was a good thing, no harm came to them by holding up the card, and the team on the pitch didn't run away crying would be more likely to join in with further protests which could in time include an organised walkout.

Agree with everything here.

As tempting as it may be, I'm not going to comment on the pro-walkout posts because they're seriously deluded turning it into an argument between stands.

 

[Tiger Barmy]

Again. What a waste of time and money.

What good will waving red pieces of card/paper around do?

This is HCST at their best i guess, pretty much all they can muster. You can imagine the meeting in the think tank where this idea was hammered out.

The Allams must be pissing themselves laughing. At least there is the chance they will sell up quicker through embarrassment of the HCST's actions than feeling threatened and belittled through the media, if they even give it more than a mention.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Agree with everything here.

As tempting as it may be, I'm not going to comment on the pro-walkout posts because they're seriously deluded turning it into an argument between stands.

Always wanting to be superior to fellow fans is in Hull City's DNA sadly.

 

[originallambrettaman]

People with different opinions are going to do different things, there's little you can do about it, all the Trust can do is come up with a protest they believe is right and hope that it's supported by the majority of fans.

It's not as if fan groups are in competition with each other, they just have different opinions on what action should be taken. It's not as if the two groups haven't spoken either, I know Geoff told them that he thought last weeks march was a bad idea and I believe he's said the same about the walkout.

Protests only work if they're well supported and there doesn't seem to be anywhere near enough support for a walkout.

 

[Cortez91]

People with different opinions are going to do different things, there's little you can do about it, all the Trust can do is come up with a protest they believe is right and hope that it's supported by the majority of fans.

It's not as if fan groups are in competition with each other, they just have different opinions on what action should be taken. It's not as if the two groups haven't spoken either, I know Geoff told them that he thought last weeks march was a bad idea and I believe he's said the same about the walkout.

Protests only work if they're well supported and there doesn't seem to be anywhere near enough support for a walkout.

Spot on.

The walkout is basically three-four people pushing their belief onto everybody else in a facebook group.

The red card protest will be more effective.

What about the sit-in afterwards? Any word on that?

 

[Quill]

Again. What a waste of time and money.

What good will waving red pieces of card/paper around do?

This is HCST at their best i guess, pretty much all they can muster. You can imagine the meeting in the think tank where this idea was hammered out.

The Allams must be pissing themselves laughing. At least there is the chance they will sell up quicker through embarrassment of the HCST's actions than feeling threatened and belittled through the media, if they even give it more than a mention.

You're a **** wum, mate.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Again. What a waste of time and money.

What good will waving red pieces of card/paper around do?

This is HCST at their best i guess, pretty much all they can muster. You can imagine the meeting in the think tank where this idea was hammered out.

The Allams must be pissing themselves laughing. At least there is the chance they will sell up quicker through embarrassment of the HCST's actions than feeling threatened and belittled through the media, if they even give it more than a mention.

The protest is optional, if you don't support it, just go and watch the football and leave the majority of Hull City fans to make their feelings known.

 

[balkan tiger]

that's the thing , its not meant to be a competition , its meant to be a united protest ... and being honest the cameras .. will they really show cards ? or will they show empty seats ?

If there are as many held up as at the last regular game of last season, and I can see no reason why there would be less, it will be seen on the telly. Pictures were posted on here of how it looked.

 

[dennisboothstash]

The protest won't look fractured if everyone who wants to protest decided to follow the Trust's position
I realise they only represent a small % of fans, but it's the only formal group with elected officials (apart from OSC and that's for different reasons) so I think it has some legitimacy
I know some people won't agree and would want a different protest, but people need to consider the overall impact when they're deciding what to do

As for wider discussions that's fine, and I think a thread asking for views posted on all forums by the Trust would be a good idea (ideally with the proviso that only the Trust should comment on individuals suggestions) But we'd all still have to realise someone has to make a decision, and it might not be one individuals like

I think wider discussions happen on here anyway and I can't see a practical method for improving it for those who choose not to join an organised group. But if there are any practical suggestions I'll happily share my view on them !

 

[Cortez91]

The protest won't look fractured if everyone who wants to protest decided to follow the Trust's position
I realise they only represent a small % of fans, but it's the only formal group with elected officials (apart from OSC and that's for different reasons) so I think it has some legitimacy
I know some people won't agree and would want a different protest, but people need to consider the overall impact when they're deciding what to do

As for wider discussions that's fine, and I think a thread asking for views posted on all forums by the Trust would be a good idea (ideally with the proviso that only the Trust should comment on individuals suggestions) But we'd all still have to realise someone has to make a decision, and it might not be one individuals like

I think wider discussions happen on here anyway and I can't see a practical method for improving it for those who choose not to join an organised group. But if there are any practical suggestions I'll happily share my view on them !

Most people will collect and show their red card in my opinion. Look at the ones we did towards the back end of last season.

 

[SimonGraysJacket]

But what about the Premier League plastic fans who don't know why we are protesting, and just want to watch Vardy and Mahrez.
Can we guarantee we won't obstruct their view of the game?
What is wrong with the Allams anyway, we are back in the big time?
Look at them empty seats at the top of the big stand over there! We should have sat up there Tarquin!

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Spot on.

The walkout is basically three-four people pushing their belief onto everybody else in a facebook group.

The red card protest will be more effective.

What about the sit-in afterwards? Any word on that?

'The red card protest will be more effective' ?
Effective in what exactly ?
Causing a toxic atmosphere before kick off ?
Getting fellow fans arguing ?
As for the 'walk-out'. Doomed to failure and again what will it prove ? A few dozen people making a big deal about leaving their places to go for a piss ? Laughable and not very original either.
The Allams have said they are selling and the process of selling is well advanced. I think they get the message that we have had enough, despite them delivering Premier league football. Yes, I know, as we all do, that they have made some huge mistakes, mis-read situations on a massive scale, upset people, had people moving seats, kept up the ridiculous name change nonsense, and probably a lot more besides. But they are selling up and moving on. We have already won the war.
if victory is what you ( we) wanted ?
A couple more weeks and they will be history.
We have had some rotten regimes at City over the years and they have all run their course and then disappeared. As I see it the difference this time is that the present lot will be selling and leaving us in a far healthier state and position then all of the others put together.
The present situation isn't as dark as some of you are making out and yes, there is light at the end of the tunnel only some of you refuse to open your eyes to it.
I wont be protesting. I will be there supporting the shirt and afterwards having a quiet drink of celebration, win, lose or draw, that we have seen them off and they haven't beat us and we will come out of this a better stronger club with some serious money behind us.

 

[originallambrettaman]

'The red card protest will be more effective' ?
Effective in what exactly ?
Causing a toxic atmosphere before kick off ?
Getting fellow fans arguing ?
As for the 'walk-out'. Doomed to failure and again what will it prove ? A few dozen people making a big deal about leaving their places to go for a piss ? Laughable and not very original either.
The Allams have said they are selling and the process of selling is well advanced. I think they get the message that we have had enough, despite them delivering Premier league football. Yes, I know, as we all do, that they have made some huge mistakes, mis-read situations on a massive scale, upset people, had people moving seats, kept up the ridiculous name change nonsense, and probably a lot more besides. But they are selling up and moving on. We have already won the war.
if victory is what you ( we) wanted ?
A couple more weeks and they will be history.
We have had some rotten regimes at City over the years and they have all run their course and then disappeared. As I see it the difference this time is that the present lot will be selling and leaving us in a far healthier state and position then all of the others put together.
The present situation isn't as dark as some of you are making out and yes, there is light at the end of the tunnel only some of you refuse to open your eyes to it.
I wont be protesting. I will be there supporting the shirt and afterwards having a quiet drink of celebration, win, lose or draw, that we have seen them off and they haven't beat us and we will come out of this a better stronger club with some serious money behind us.

Nobody believes a word they say any more, so the protests will continue until they've gone, they've been selling up and ****ing off for two ****ing years.

 

[Cortez91]

'The red card protest will be more effective' ?
Effective in what exactly ?
Causing a toxic atmosphere before kick off ?
Getting fellow fans arguing ?
As for the 'walk-out'. Doomed to failure and again what will it prove ? A few dozen people making a big deal about leaving their places to go for a piss ? Laughable and not very original either.
The Allams have said they are selling and the process of selling is well advanced. I think they get the message that we have had enough, despite them delivering Premier league football. Yes, I know, as we all do, that they have made some huge mistakes, mis-read situations on a massive scale, upset people, had people moving seats, kept up the ridiculous name change nonsense, and probably a lot more besides. But they are selling up and moving on. We have already won the war.
if victory is what you ( we) wanted ?
A couple more weeks and they will be history.
We have had some rotten regimes at City over the years and they have all run their course and then disappeared. As I see it the difference this time is that the present lot will be selling and leaving us in a far healthier state and position then all of the others put together.
The present situation isn't as dark as some of you are making out and yes, there is light at the end of the tunnel only some of you refuse to open your eyes to it.
I wont be protesting. I will be there supporting the shirt and afterwards having a quiet drink of celebration, win, lose or draw, that we have seen them off and they haven't beat us and we will come out of this a better stronger club with some serious money behind us.

More effective in being shown on the television to show the world that we are not happy with the way our club is being run.

It didn't cause a toxic atmosphere last year... Nor did it cause arguments.

We're in argreement regarding the walkout though.

 

[Party Hull!]

The Allams have caused a toxic atmosphere this summer by forcing Steve Bruce out in the most cowardly way possible, and letting the playing squad rot before our eyes.

People making a noise with pieces of card can only be an improvement.

And of course, people will be forgiven for taking the reports of another imminent takeover with a grain of salt.

 

[Qatartiger Cambridgetiger]

Again. What a waste of time and money.

What good will waving red pieces of card/paper around do?

This is HCST at their best i guess, pretty much all they can muster. You can imagine the meeting in the think tank where this idea was hammered out.

The Allams must be pissing themselves laughing. At least there is the chance they will sell up quicker through embarrassment of the HCST's actions than feeling threatened and belittled through the media, if they even give it more than a mention.

Oh dear we do get em don't we?