Give credit where it is due!!

[Nads]

Well a cup final is no better than finishing 5th in the league. If you win the cup, then yes, that's a better season, but I'd rather prove quality over a season than by being beaten couple finalists. Fair play if you win it though, I'd take that over a top 4 place tbh.

Better season is a point of view. I'd personally rather finish as high in the table as possible, some people might think it doesn't mean anything other than more money. This isn't true, it gives you a more attractive position to sign new, quality players and to push on for your future.

If Sunderland won the FA cup then they've had a fantastic season, but my personal choice would be to finish 5/6th and establish ourselves as a quality team, so we can attract the caliber of players we need to push on and achieve higher things.

At the end of the day both teams could be on the verge of a fantastic season.

The expectations of the clubs being exceeded plays a part in it too. If Liverpool win both cups this season and finish 7th, I don't think the majority would say that Liverpool have had a better season than us because they expected to do better. Where as if Sunderland finished top 10 and won the FA cup, and we finished 6th and won nothing really, then it would be a very interesting topic for debate, but I'd personally see we'd had the better season to be honest.

Both Newcastle and Sunderland were aiming for top 10 finishes at the start of the season, one club wins a cup, one finishes in the top 6 - It's a very opinionated matter.

If you finished 6th and we finished say 8th, but won the cup, you would ****ing hate it Tash.

Silverware over a couple of league places, and we'd be in Europe.

For me, unless it's CL, cup over league for sure, it's a trophy, it's worldwide recognition.

As I said, you lot haw had a great season, and I credit you fully for it.

 

[Darth Plagueis]

If you finished 6th and we finished say 8th, but won the cup, you would ****ing hate it Tash.

Silverware over a couple of league places, and we'd be in Europe.

For me, unless it's CL, cup over league for sure, it's a trophy, it's worldwide recognition.

As I said, you lot haw had a great season, and I credit you fully for it.

Of course I would hate it. But as I've said, the whole thing is very opinionated.

You could argue that if we finish 6th, Liverpool 7th and win both cups, and you finish 8th, that both Newcastle and Sunderland have had better seasons than Liverpool as they've have exceeded expectations massively where as Liverpool have really fallen short of their expectations.

 

[Nads]

If you finished 6th and we finished say 8th, but won the cup, you would ****ing hate it Tash.

Silverware over a couple of league places, and we'd be in Europe.

For me, unless it's CL, cup over league for sure, it's a trophy, it's worldwide recognition.

As I said, you lot haw had a great season, and I credit you fully for it.

Of course I would hate it. But as I've said, the whole thing is very opinionated.

You could argue that if we finish 6th, Liverpool 7th and win both cups, and you finish 8th, that both Newcastle and Sunderland have had better seasons than Liverpool as they've have exceeded expectations massively where as Liverpool have really fallen short of their expectations.

I certainly agree with that.

 

[Rafa's Championship Party]

Nice to see you giving us credit . Got to say you guys have done fantastically well since O'Neill took over, I remember in the final days of Bruce I hardly ever seemed to be predicting you to win but now I seem to be predicting you guys to win most weeks. Both teams should be happy with their seasons (barring a major collapse from Sunderland).

 

[5 Goals 1 Hat Trick 11 Heroes-NUFC4LIFE]

I'm sorry but a semi final appearance means nothing to me. Neither does being in the final.

Only matters if you win it. We've gone 50 years without a trophy but nobody brags about a few semi final and final appearances we made in the FA Cup or the UEFA cup.

It's ludicrous to say that a run of 5 or 6 games in the cup without actually winning it equals to a season long hard earned 5th or 6th place.

 

[Nads]

Nobody said it did....

We said if we WON the cup.

 

[5 Goals 1 Hat Trick 11 Heroes-NUFC4LIFE]

Aimed at the OP.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

Some kind words on here lada, cheers.
I'd dish out the rep but I'm locked down..

 

[Billy Death]

I enjoyed the game today & was impressed with Newcastle.

Nice to see my long lost cousin Tashy back, missed you bud.

5 teats can shag his sister though.

**** the ****.

 

[Chappaz]

I may be setting myself up here by saying that we should give Newcastle Utd some credit for their result today.We got stuffed by WBA and then our neighbours beat them out of site.However,who will have had the best season if we can beat Everton on tuesday??An FA cup semi-final appearance is up for grabs with the potential of more to come.What is remembered more...an appearance at wembley,or fifth-place in the league??Thoughts,please,lads and lasses.

Cheers!

To answer your question, honestly, I don't think anyone really cares about other teams. We'll all be interested in what our own teams do, but outside of that, everyone forgets things pretty quickly. Just look at Birmingham. They went to Wembley and actually won the Carling Cup. Do any of us care or even remember unless we're reminded?

I'd much prefer the longevity of the Europa League. A Wembley appearance is a one off in-front of UK audiences, but multiple Europa games puts us on the European stage in front of fans and players from right across Europe. I'd love that and I think it would help us keep some of our best players.

 

[Commachio]

Well a cup final is no better than finishing 5th in the league. If you win the cup, then yes, that's a better season, but I'd rather prove quality over a season than by being beaten couple finalists. Fair play if you win it though, I'd take that over a top 4 place tbh.

Can't believe i'm gonna agree with ****bag, but i do in part.....as he is correct in thinking no-one remembers a beaten finalist...that applies to any of the cup competitions..


But that got me thinking about the 2nd part of his post...

FA Cup or top 4 and playing in the Champions league....hhmmmmmmmm?

 

[marcusblackcat]

Actually we beat Norwich mate. And if you're refering to the 4-2 game when we lost away, we had no CB's.
What's good about our squad is that we have quite a few versatile players who can play in numerous different positions.

SAFC played Man City with 4 of our first choice back 5 missing (at the time) and midfielders playing at full back - so "having no CB's" is not really an excuse is it - You only had 2 injuries didn't you?? No CB's against Norwich vs no Full Backs against Man City - I know which one I'd rather have - it's a squad game (which is basically what we got from NUFC fans all last season when we had 8 or 9 1st teamers out at once!!)

You go on about your squad above then mention the fact that you had no CB's - well it's a squad game and you only had 3 players missing

 

[marcusblackcat]

Cheers!

To answer your question, honestly, I don't think anyone really cares about other teams. We'll all be interested in what our own teams do, but outside of that, everyone forgets things pretty quickly. Just look at Birmingham. They went to Wembley and actually won the Carling Cup. Do any of us care or even remember unless we're reminded?

I'd much prefer the longevity of the Europa League. A Wembley appearance is a one off in-front of UK audiences, but multiple Europa games puts us on the European stage in front of fans and players from right across Europe. I'd love that and I think it would help us keep some of our best players.

Thing is - if (Heavily stressed) we reach the FA Cup final then the likelihood is that we will get to Europa as we will most likely be playing Chelsea or Spurs (Not ruling out Bolton but I can't see them beating both Spurs and Chelsea) so we get the trip to Wembley and the Europa most likely - I would love that cup final and the Europa league - to win a cup would mean more to me than any league position - as it would have in previous cup appearances.

Not sure if I understand you properly here chappaz - does your last paragraph mean you'd rather finish 5th than win the FA Cup - or simply rather finish 5th than appear in a semi final? (Forgive muy ignorance as I have only slept for 3 hours due to a poorly daughter)!

 

[Steven Royston O'Neill]

I think if we are all honest we would say the most important out of the cup or league position depends a lot on the one we are in so I will say both are very worthy achievements.

Oh and 5-1, read your fellow supporters comments and see how the grown ups act, one day you may become one.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I'd put league placing well ahead of a cup final appearance. Finals are never about taking part. But winning a trophy, particularly a worthwhile one like the FA Cup would have to rank higher. I'd rather win the FA Cup than qualify for the CL. I understand the money thing and the long term effect CL money can have, but I'd have to be selfish as a supporter here. I'd love to see a trophy for Newcastle in my lifetime, its long overdue. Winning a cup can be a great kickstart to an era too.

I can't see Sunderland winning it to be perfectly honest. I can see them winning tomorrow night but I think Liverpool will NEED to win the semi final at this rate! That and the extra quality of Gerrard would be the difference for me.

Am I the only one who sees the Europa League as a bit of a poisoned chalice? Look at Stoke and Fulham, its derailed their seasons. I'd quite happily finish 5th or 6th and miss out on Europe. I just wouldn't want the mackems to qualify! If Everton were to nick a Europa league place off us, I'd be quietly pleased. We haven't got the squad for it.

 

[MrRAWhite]

To be honest, I would never dream about giving the Mags any credit simply because I don't have one iota of affinity with them...
Personally, I would take 'us' winning the FA Cup any day of the week than 'us' finishing 5th in the league.

 

[Chappaz]

Not sure if I understand you properly here chappaz - does your last paragraph mean you'd rather finish 5th than win the FA Cup - or simply rather finish 5th than appear in a semi final? (Forgive muy ignorance as I have only slept for 3 hours due to a poorly daughter)!

The OP said "what's remembered more, an appearance at Wembley or 5th in the league", so I was responding to him on the assumption that he means a semi-final or final appearance.

In-terms of winning the FA Cup, it's a tricky one. It is silverware after all and gives you a Europa spot. I'd really prefer to get into Europa through the proper means of a table finish though, so we're considered amongst the best of the best going there. Last season we ended up with Fulham, Birmingham and bloody Stoke representing English football alongside Spurs. One of the prime reasons fewer and fewer people give a crap about the EL is because there's a million and one different ways to get in it which don't necessarily have a thing to do with the Premier League itself. Getting in through the Carling Cup and then being relegated in the same season just seems backwards to me. The Europa League should be about 'the best of the rest' outside of the CL teams battling it up.

 

[Steven Royston O'Neill]

the op said "what's remembered more, an appearance at wembley or 5th in the league", so i was responding to him on the assumption that he means a semi-final or final appearance.

In-terms of winning the fa cup, it's a tricky one. It is silverware after all and gives you a europa spot. I'd really prefer to get into europa through the proper means of a table finish though, so we're considered amongst the best of the best going there. Last season we ended up with fulham, birmingham and bloody stoke representing english football alongside spurs. One of the prime reasons fewer and fewer people give a crap about the el is because there's a million and one different ways to get in it which don't necessarily have a thing to do with the premier league itself. Getting in through the carling cup and then being relegated in the same season just seems backwards to me. The europa league should be about 'the best of the rest' outside of the cl teams battling it up.

but would you think that if we where 5th and you won the cup?

 

[Commachio]

It's all a joke and revolves around money..

Champions league..........****e, it should be for the champions not some fooker who managed to scrape in 4th..............

Eupropa league.....back to the cup winners cup............................

But like i said "it's all for tv and money...

 

[MrRAWhite]

The OP said "what's remembered more, an appearance at Wembley or 5th in the league", so I was responding to him on the assumption that he means a semi-final or final appearance.

In-terms of winning the FA Cup, it's a tricky one. It is silverware after all and gives you a Europa spot. I'd really prefer to get into Europa through the proper means of a table finish though, so we're considered amongst the best of the best going there. Last season we ended up with Fulham, Birmingham and bloody Stoke representing English football alongside Spurs. One of the prime reasons fewer and fewer people give a crap about the EL is because there's a million and one different ways to get in it which don't necessarily have a thing to do with the Premier League itself. Getting in through the Carling Cup and then being relegated in the same season just seems backwards to me. The Europa League should be about 'the best of the rest' outside of the CL teams battling it up.

you are having a laugh arn't you?...Surely the proper means is by actually winning something...In my opinion the powers that be are undermining both of the European competitions by the amount of teams that qualify...Surely the best way forward would be for only teams that actually win something qualify for the Champions league, and for me that would be the league and major cup winners from each country. The Europa League qualifiers could be the league runners up and League Cup winners, or for countries who don't have a secondary cup competition, then 3rd place in the league would qualify for the Europa..