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Some stat padding in there for sure just as Messi and Ronaldo had/have but he scored 54 goals last season. Arsenal, Italy, Holland, Dortmund etc. in that number. He’s doing fine.
 
Well yeah, if you take away all the goals he scored in his career, he's a mediocre striker at best.
lol I hate that mindset, a popular one is "If you take away all the penalties he has scored...." why? WTF would you take away all the penalties he has scored? Scoring penalties is an art in of itself.
 
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lol I hate that mindset, a popular one is "If you take away all the penalties he has scored...." why? WTF would you take away all the penalties he has scored? Scoring penalties is an art in of itself.

Yeah but if you go back to the days of Gerd Muller he won them the world cup without taking a single penalty himself, and scored 68 goals in 62 games for the Germans, 14 of them in World Cup tournaments, a record only beaten by another German. Germany have won the prize trophy four times now, they know a thing of two about winning...

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Bayern Munich[3][44][45]
West Germany[3][44]
 
Yeah but if you go back to the days of Gerd Muller he won them the world cup without taking a single penalty himself, and scored 68 goals in 62 games for the Germans, 14 of them in World Cup tournaments, a record only beaten by another German. Germany have won the prize trophy four times now, they know a thing of two about winning...

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Bayern Munich[3][44][45]
West Germany[3][44]
yeah but der Bomber was the best pure goal scorer we've ever seen .
 
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lol I hate that mindset, a popular one is "If you take away all the penalties he has scored...." why? WTF would you take away all the penalties he has scored? Scoring penalties is an art in of itself.

I think it’s fair enough context. 25 goals in a season without penalties is arguably a better season than the bloke with 30 including a dozen penalties. It deserves respect but less than the average regular goal.
 
Yeah but if you go back to the days of Gerd Muller he won them the world cup without taking a single penalty himself, and scored 68 goals in 62 games for the Germans, 14 of them in World Cup tournaments, a record only beaten by another German. Germany have won the prize trophy four times now, they know a thing of two about winning...

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Bayern Munich[3][44][45]
West Germany[3][44]

Not arguing that.
On the Tuchel issue though.
I think Tuchel is a great appointment for England.
I dont get why idiots like Neville, Lineker and Carragher are bitching about the FA not appointing an English manager.
Lineker even went as far to say Carsley had shown him enough to prove he should get the job....like wtf? Winning a couple of glorified friendlies and losing at Wembley to Greece?
Why the **** should the FA not have standards when it comes to appointing the England manager? Why should having a coaching badge and a british passport be enough to qualify? Its bullshit.
"What kind of message does it send?" Uh it sends the message that to get the top job in England you have to actually have a record of success.
The way they have tried to fast track English managers like Lampard, Potter, Gerrard and Rooney into top jobs has failed spectacularly.
People whine about English managers not getting top jobs in the PL, but thats because none of them have proven that they deserve it.
Lampard and Potter were handed the Chelsea job with minimal records of success, they both failed.
Lampard again at Everton, Failed
Gerrard at Villa, failed. Yeah he won a SPL title with Rangers, big whoop, every Rangers manager starts off with a 50% chance of winning the SPL every season.

The best we have to offer in terms of English managers is Eddie Howe....yeah he seems a decent manager, but he has won exactly **** ALL.
If no trophies and a UK passport is the only qualification required to get the England manager job, then expect another 60 years without winning.
 
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yeah but der Bomber was the best pure goal scorer we've ever seen .

He certainly was.
Not arguing that.
On the Tuchel issue though.
I think Tuchel is a great appointment for England.
I dont get why idiots like Neville, Lineker and Carragher are bitching about the FA not appointing an English manager.
Lineker even went as far to say Carsley had shown him enough to prove he should get the job....like wtf? Winning a couple of glorified friendlies and losing at Wembley to Greece?
Why the **** should the FA not have standards when it comes to appointing the England manager? Why should having a coaching badge and a british passport be enough to qualify? Its bullshit.
"What kind of message does it send?" Uh it sends the message that to get the top job in England you have to actually have a record of success.
The way they have tried to fast track English managers like Lampard, Potter, Gerrard and Rooney into top jobs has failed spectacularly.
People whine about English managers not getting top jobs in the PL, but thats because none of them have proven that they deserve it.
Lampard and Potter were handed the Chelsea job with minimal records of success, they both failed.
Lampard again at Everton, Failed
Gerrard at Villa, failed. Yeah he won a SPL title with Rangers, big whoop, every Rangers manager starts off with a 50% chance of winning the SPL every season.

The best we have to offer in terms of English managers is Eddie Howe....yeah he seems a decent manager, but he has won exactly **** ALL.
If no trophies and a UK passport is the only qualification required to get the England manager job, then expect another 60 years without winning.

Bod, I've stated previously I'm happy with the Tuchel appointment, so you will get no argument from me on that. However, I do also hear the other side of the coin and respect it, why not an Englishman, which does lead me to add, why are we ignoring our own talent - but it's the way it is and I really don't care if they guy's name is Sir alf Ramsey or Thomas Tuchel as long as they are winning us a trophy. We had these same issues with why not Clough all those decades ago, but I don't sit on the FA so I can't control what goes on, all I can do is give a preference, mine would have probably been Potter, but cards on the table, Potter or Tuchel, well the Germans as I said earlier, know a thing or two about winning so the latter, plus he took Kane to Bayern Munich, so in a way it's kind of funny with the current debates going on.

Oh and on the question I saw from the media, will you sing the anthem.........I don't fooking care!....as long as he is respectful. I'm more likely to be pissed off with Carsley not singing it, if it bothered me, and it don't.
 
Not arguing that.
On the Tuchel issue though.
I think Tuchel is a great appointment for England.
I dont get why idiots like Neville, Lineker and Carragher are bitching about the FA not appointing an English manager.
Lineker even went as far to say Carsley had shown him enough to prove he should get the job....like wtf? Winning a couple of glorified friendlies and losing at Wembley to Greece?
Why the **** should the FA not have standards when it comes to appointing the England manager? Why should having a coaching badge and a british passport be enough to qualify? Its bullshit.
"What kind of message does it send?" Uh it sends the message that to get the top job in England you have to actually have a record of success.
The way they have tried to fast track English managers like Lampard, Potter, Gerrard and Rooney into top jobs has failed spectacularly.
People whine about English managers not getting top jobs in the PL, but thats because none of them have proven that they deserve it.
Lampard and Potter were handed the Chelsea job with minimal records of success, they both failed.
Lampard again at Everton, Failed
Gerrard at Villa, failed. Yeah he won a SPL title with Rangers, big whoop, every Rangers manager starts off with a 50% chance of winning the SPL every season.

The best we have to offer in terms of English managers is Eddie Howe....yeah he seems a decent manager, but he has won exactly **** ALL.
If no trophies and a UK passport is the only qualification required to get the England manager job, then expect another 60 years without winning.

I'm ****ing livid ... Steve Cooper wasn't even interviewed...
 
He certainly was.


Bod, I've stated previously I'm happy with the Tuchel appointment, so you will get no argument from me on that. However, I do also hear the other side of the coin and respect it, why not an Englishman, which does lead me to add, why are we ignoring our own talent - but it's the way it is and I really don't care if they guy's name is Sir alf Ramsey or Thomas Tuchel as long as they are winning us a trophy. We had these same issues with why not Clough all those decades ago, but I don't sit on the FA so I can't control what goes on, all I can do is give a preference, mine would have probably been Potter, but cards on the table, Potter or Tuchel, well the Germans as I said earlier, know a thing or two about winning so the latter, plus he took Kane to Bayern Munich, so in a way it's kind of funny with the current debates going on.

Oh and on the question I saw from the media, will you sing the anthem.........I don't fooking care!....as long as he is respectful. I'm more likely to be pissed off with Carsley not singing it, if it bothered me, and it don't.

I get it, there is a shortage of top class English managers. I understand that, and I get why it is a concern.
But the answer to that problem surely involves looking at grass roots football, coaching training and the cost, is the training sufficient, etc etc.
But the answer sure as **** aint just throwing any old manager who is English into the managers job and hoping like **** he can do something, like throwing **** at the wall over and over and hoping something sticks......
 
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Not arguing that.
On the Tuchel issue though.
I think Tuchel is a great appointment for England.
I dont get why idiots like Neville, Lineker and Carragher are bitching about the FA not appointing an English manager.
Lineker even went as far to say Carsley had shown him enough to prove he should get the job....like wtf? Winning a couple of glorified friendlies and losing at Wembley to Greece?
Why the **** should the FA not have standards when it comes to appointing the England manager? Why should having a coaching badge and a british passport be enough to qualify? Its bullshit.
"What kind of message does it send?" Uh it sends the message that to get the top job in England you have to actually have a record of success.
The way they have tried to fast track English managers like Lampard, Potter, Gerrard and Rooney into top jobs has failed spectacularly.
People whine about English managers not getting top jobs in the PL, but thats because none of them have proven that they deserve it.
Lampard and Potter were handed the Chelsea job with minimal records of success, they both failed.
Lampard again at Everton, Failed
Gerrard at Villa, failed. Yeah he won a SPL title with Rangers, big whoop, every Rangers manager starts off with a 50% chance of winning the SPL every season.

The best we have to offer in terms of English managers is Eddie Howe....yeah he seems a decent manager, but he has won exactly **** ALL.
If no trophies and a UK passport is the only qualification required to get the England manager job, then expect another 60 years without winning.
Potter inherited a heap of **** tbf, should have had more sense than to take the job though.
 
Potter inherited a heap of **** tbf, should have had more sense than to take the job though.
Aye I take into account that he joined us at a chaotic time, our club has just been appropriated by the government and sold off to a bunch of clowns, and no one wanted Lampard and Potter to succeed more than me, as a Chelsea fan. Lampard especially, I love the guy, he is my favourite Chelsea player, probably ever....
So I am not coming at this from a place of anti Potter or Anti Lampard bias, by no means.
I just question why people like Lineker and Neville are so upset about a non Englishman getting the job, its not the first time, and just grabbing any old manager who is English and being like "Yeah you'll do." is ridiculous.
 
I didn't think his goals were anything spectacular, but he just had an instinct of being in the right place at the right time, much like a certain Haaland...

and not forgetting Gerds all important goal that lifted the 1974 World Cup....now if Harry could just do that for us in 2026, just one goal, the winner, that brings a certain little trophy home...

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