Off Topic General Election

[balkan tiger]

I hear a lot of people saying things like "They're all the same" or "Labour won't be any better". I think these easy lines give the incumbent Tories undue credit.

The depths they've plumbed in the last 14 years have been appalling. On a near constant basis they have committed scandalous and destructive acts. I'm not talking about their stupid parties or foolish decisions not to attend D-Day events - these were own goals in a PR sense but far from the worst things they've been involved in. I'm talking about specifically legislating to allow water companies to start dumping **** in our rivers, deliberately suppressing voters with this ID nonsense (and carefully selecting which forms of ID count and which don't to achieve maximum suppression of younger voters but minimal effect on older ones), systematically worsening the conditions of doctors, nurses and teachers until they're at breaking point, overseeing a fall in life expectancy and living standards, bending the rules to suit them at every possible opportunity, the constant lying, posing as an impartial "fact checker" during election debates on two separate occasions, the shameful handling of the covid pandemic wilfully costing many lives in the name of the economy - and failing to even protect that effectively anyway, stoking ridiculous culture wars over non-issues to whip up hatred. That's off the top of my head.

To lazily say "they're all the same" with that record is insulting. This level of malice and incompetence in office isn't normal and never has been. We've had a truly, extraordinarily horrible government, and no opposition parties should be tarred with the same brush as them.

TWT as tickles used to say

 

[originallambrettaman]

I'm talking about specifically legislating to allow water companies to start dumping **** in our rivers

Just in the name of accuracy, they didn't legislate to allow them to start, it's always happened and usually at higher levels than it is now, it's just people are aware of it now and object to it and they didn't legislate to stop it.

 

[dennisboothstash]

I'm NO expert, but I don't think it will be as bad for the Tories has some make out. Yes, they'll lose but not as badly as some predict.
I base this on 1992 when the polls pointed to a Labour win, with many Tories saying they'd vote for someone else, but actually changed their mind and voted Tory. Tories got in in 1992, much against the what the polls predicted.
Reform might do a lot better than some think. If I was a betting man, which I ain't, my prediction would be:
Tories 110, Lib Dems 66, Reform 15, SNP 38, Green 2, Others 28, Labour 391....Giving Labour a 132 majority...Not as high as some are saying....
Disclaimer.... DO NOT rush out and have a punt on what I predict.
BTW..I voted at 8.30am and it wasn't for any of the big parties.

I agree
Also the Tory strategy this week seemed to have been to tell everyone” it’s all over already, don’t even bother voting against us we’re so far behind it won’t make any difference”…

Unusual tactic but I think it will help them

TWT

 

[dennisboothstash]

Just in the name of accuracy, they didn't legislate to allow them to start, it's always happened and usually at higher levels than it is now, it's just people are aware of it now and object to it and they didn't legislate to stop it.

Still a ****’s trick

 

[bradymk2]

Still a ****’s trick

Worse
And anyone who signs off on it
Should be shot

 

[originallambrettaman]

Still a ****’s trick

Agreed, I'd have have forced them to suspend dividends until the issue had been resolved.

 

[bradymk2]

Agreed, I'd have have forced them to suspend dividends until the issue had been resolved.

Firing squad would be easier

 

[Noggin The Nog]

Any MP that has done this should be made to return their salary/pension and forbidden from working in the public sector ever again. That's an absolutely disgraceful and disrespectful thing to do.

Don't MPs who lose their seats get full pay for the next five years? That's currently, what, £75k a year, no doubt free of tax and linked...= £375,000 +.... Poor bar-stewards having to cope on that, while also getting their second salaries from their other job(s)..Bunch of to$$ers.

Then theres Liz Truss on a PM salary for ages, after been in for 44 days...
At least Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask.

 

[bradymk2]

Id have drug importers executed
Drug dealers 20 years gulag

Robbers
20 years gulag or a hand cut off

Knife weapon users
20 years gulag

Ban religion
20 years gulag for ones who disobey

About time crime is punished

 

[PLT]

Id have drug importers executed
Drug dealers 20 years gulag

Robbers
20 years gulag or a hand cut off

Knife weapon users
20 years gulag

Ban religion
20 years gulag for ones who disobey

About time crime is punished

But along with everything else, prisons are squeezed to capacity too.

 

[bradymk2]

But along with everything else, prisons are squeezed to capacity too.

Build more
Also dont need prisons for ones executed

 

[Plum]

Don't MPs who lose their seats get full pay for the next five years? That's currently, what, £75k a year, no doubt free of tax and linked...= £375,000 +.... Poor bar-stewards having to cope on that, while also getting their second salaries from their other job(s)..Bunch of to$$ers.

Then theres Liz Truss on a PM salary for ages, after been in for 44 days...
At least Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask.

Not sure where you've got that from. I think a losing MP gets twice statutory redundancy payment and maybe gets paid for a month or 2 to wind his office down. Nowhere near 5 years. I think ex-PM's can claim upto £100k-ish pa for public duties undertaken.

 

[Noggin The Nog]

Not sure where you've got that from. I think a losing MP gets twice statutory redundancy payment and maybe gets paid for a month or 2 to wind his office down. Nowhere near 5 years. I think ex-PM's can claim upto £100k-ish pa for public duties undertaken.

You may be right, but I;m sure I read or heard something about MPs still getting paid for several years...Its like the parachute payments to ensure they don't go stony broke.

 

[bradymk2]

how are professional footballers under greater scutiny with betting than politicians?

politicians should not be allowed to bet or even use any stock exchange

 

[originallambrettaman]

MP's who lose their seats get a grand total of £17,300, which they have to use to wind down their offices and get rid of any staff.

 

[Noggin The Nog]

how are professional footballers under greater scutiny with betting than politicians?

politicians should not be allowed to bet or even use any stock exchange

Good luck with that....I bet half of the Tory MPs are ex-stockbrokers with their ear to the ground.

 

[bradymk2]

Good luck with that....I bet half of the Tory MPs are ex-stockbrokers with their ear to the ground.

indeed, but it should be criminal

its a disgrace, the amount of insider trading

 

[PLT]

Build more
Also dont need prisons for ones executed

What and spend some money on infrastructure?!

How are we supposed to afford tax breaks for the ultra rich whilst doing that?

 

[Noggin The Nog]

MP's who lose their seats get a grand total of £17,300, which they have to use to wind down their offices and get rid of any staff.

Fair enough...If thats the case.

 

[bradymk2]

What and spend some money on infrastructure?!

How are we supposed to afford tax breaks for the ultra rich whilst doing that?

anyone who has their tax residence in another country but has any business operations here, should be kicked out

and any corporations that operate here, should pay their full tax

theres billions a year being evaded