Off Topic General Election Special

[Heimdallr]

Fair enough, would it be wrong to suggest the main promises.... Easiest fta in history, better deal than we have now, 350m a week to EU let's fund our NHS we're utter lies?

They were bullshit political slogans/promises that I doubt very few took seriously.

I live in a country that voted to be outside the EU twice, where clearly financially and consumer-wise many would be better off being in, and yet still the majority of the population wish to remain out. The two main parties that take 70% of the vote are entirely pro-EU but have scaled back on promoting it in their manifestos because it loses them public support each time. So go figure, sometimes gut feeling and the sense of having more control over-rides financial wealth. It's just the way it is.

 

[Edelman]

What workers rights?? Most Companies operating in my sphere,(warehouse/forklift/logistics),and no matter their size,haven't got the faintest clue about workers rights!!!

There's rights that should be adhered to like holidays !
Surely you know the entitlements ?

 

[City Man]

What workers rights?? Most Companies operating in my sphere,(warehouse/forklift/logistics),and no matter their size,haven't got the faintest clue about workers rights!!!

The utter lack of comprehension by many Remainer voters as to the motivations of many Leave voters is baffling.

"Many of the Leave-voting areas will be hardest hit if we leave the EU"

"Will it really? You mean we're going to lose that gilded prosperous lifestyle we've enjoyed for decades thanks to the massive inward industrial and infrastructure investment from the EU? However will we cope with this new found poverty? It's going to impact our wealthy lifestyle massively, "

 

[Leon...]

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Demonstrates the type of campaign they run.

 

[Edelman]

The utter lack of comprehension by many Remainer voters as to the motivations of many Leave voters is baffling.

"Many of the Leave-voting areas will be hardest hit if we leave the EU"

"Will it really? You mean we're going to lose that gilded prosperous lifestyle we've enjoyed for decades thanks to the massive inward industrial and infrastructure investment from the EU? However will we cope with this new found poverty? It's going to impact our wealthy lifestyle massively, "

We will see how out all shakes out won't we !
I'm surprised you haven't referenced WW2 yet ?

 

[Leon...]

How many times must it be stated that Magic Grandpa and former shagger of Diane Abbott is a dunce who got 2 grade A levels?

In what universe is someone of his intellect and level of learning capable of understanding let alone winning us a favourable settlement against wily and experienced technocrat EU negotiators?

Even if you are naive enough to think 'Jeremy has a vision for Britain', you must see he is completely and utterly out of his depth at this level?

I must be naive enough.

A lot of people seem to talk of Corbyn's qualifications from years ago, when I assume he was 16/17.

In terms of your work, do you still get challenged on such? What quals have you got?

 

[balkan tiger]

I mean I could trot out the stats on how many times we've voted for against and abstained (roughly 95%,2% and 3%) but is there much point?

The EU is far from perfect, but we are so much better off in than out, as a member of the EU we are one of 3 (with France and Germany) who lead the EU and are major players internationally. Yes we are net contributors when you look only at the money in and money out, and it is nowhere near the ludicrous figures suggested by the leave campaign, but there are so many intangibles to consider on top, the number one being access to the SM and CU and the opportunities that affords us. Every single economic modelling of leave scenarios the govt, the tory govt, has produced shows a significant drop in gdp far greater than the net contribution we make. If/when we leave we will cease to be an international leader and player, and find ourselves as a little island of the coast of Europe looking wistfully back on the days of empire and wondering how we managed to **** it up so royally.

Who is this we've that voted?

Our democratically elected MEP's or the appointed person on the Council of Ministers?

 

[Leon...]

What workers rights?? Most Companies operating in my sphere,(warehouse/forklift/logistics),and no matter their size,haven't got the faintest clue about workers rights!!!

Really sorry to hear that. I've always been in a union and have fought like **** to maintain terms and conditions - and largely maintained them.

 

[Heimdallr]

Really sorry to hear that. I've always been in a union and have fought like **** to maintain terms and conditions - and lagely maintained them.

So it's been your union that has got these rights and maintained them.. Not the EU?

 

[Ric Glasgow]

There's rights that should be adhered to like holidays !
Surely you know the entitlements ?

Well I would hope so!! I've studied the employment rights act 1996 more times than I'd care to mention and took 2 companies to court under section 13.

I'm currently raising an ET1 against my former employer for refusing to treat me as an equal after 12 weeks continuous employment.

 

[Mr Hatem]

I must be naive enough.

A lot of people seem to talk of Corbyn's qualifications from years ago, when I assume he was 16/17.

In terms of your work, do you still get challenged on such? What quals have you got?

Anyone who got A levels in the 60s is not a dunce. Two Grade E at A level was enough to go to University then, even in the 70s. Exam grades were based on percentages of candidates not marks in the exams.

 

[Edelman]

So it's been your union that has got these rights and maintained them.. Not the EU?

So what kind of firm do you work if you don't know what rights you have ?
Do you get paid bank holidays ?
Do you get 20 days paid holiday ?

 

[City Man]

I must be naive enough.

A lot of people seem to talk of Corbyn's qualifications from years ago, when I assume he was 16/17.

In terms of your work, do you still get challenged on such? What quals have you got?

I am calling into question ANY political party leader going into top international negotiation who does not have a good degree from an internationally renowned university, not only Corbyn..

Learning is only part of it....intellect is the other. Corbyn seems to have neither.

Not sure what my job or quallies have to do with it, unless you think I'm Boris Johnson?

 

[Edelman]

Well I would hope so!! I've studied the employment rights act 1996 more times than I'd care to mention and took 2 companies to court under section 13.

I'm currently raising an ET1 against my former employer for refusing to treat me as an equal after 12 weeks continuous employment.

Quite rightly to

 

[balkan tiger]

If and when we ever leave the EU the world will not stop turning. I predict things will carry on much the same as they do now. Workers rights will be the same and we won't be sending young kids up chimneys. The rules and regulations we follow now wether EU or UK in origin will need to be followed.

 

[Edelman]

unless you think I'm Boris Johnson?[/QUOTE]
Even you're not that bad ?

 

[Ric Glasgow]

Really sorry to hear that. I've always been in a union and have fought like **** to maintain terms and conditions - and largely maintained them.

I was a shop steward in the TGWU for 10 years and I have watched the erosion of workers rights over the last couple of decades.I wouldn't join a union anymore,most of the conveners and officials are self serving hypocrites these days and line their own pockets in preference to sticking their neck out.

 

[Edelman]

If and when we ever leave the EU the world will not stop turning. I predict things will carry on much the same as they do now. Workers rights will be the same and we won't be sending young kids up chimneys. The rules and regulations we follow now wether EU or UK in origin will need to be followed.

Let's hope the rules are followed !
We wouldn't want to end up with a USA style employment system and social rights !

 

[Leon...]

I am calling into question ANY political party leader going into top international negotiation who does not have a good degree from an internationally renowned university, not only Corbyn..

Learning is only part of it....intellect is the other. Corbyn seems to have neither.

Not sure what my job or quallies have to do with it, unless you think I'm Boris Johnson?

He's nearly 70 (or is 70, I forget).

Degree or no degree at his stage - it doesn't matter to me (and I place a high regard to education and academic practice/rigour).

I asked you because I wondered if in your line of work, whatever you do, if it still comes up at your age.

In my opinion, his actions, ideas and practices far out weigh a degree from decades ago.

 

[City Man]

Anyone who got A levels in the 60s is not a dunce. Two Grade E at A level was enough to go to University then, even in the 70s. Exam grades were based on percentages of candidates not marks in the exams.

Not necessarily gospel, but wiki....take it or leave it


"While still at school, he became active in The Wrekin constituency Young Socialists, his local Labour Party, and the League Against Cruel Sports.[17] He joined the Labour Party at age 16[10] and achieved two A-Levels, at grade E, the lowest-possible passing grade, before leaving school at 18.[18][19] Corbyn joined the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) in 1966 whilst at school[20] and later became one of its three vice-chairs and subsequently vice-president.[21] Around this time he also campaigned against the Vietnam War.[22]

After school,[23] Corbyn worked briefly as a reporter for a local newspaper, the Newport and Market Drayton Advertiser.[24] At around the age of 19 he spent two years doing Voluntary Service Overseas in Jamaica as a youth worker and geography teacher.[25][26] He subsequently travelled through Latin America in 1969 and 1970, visiting Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile. Whilst in Brazil he participated in a student demonstration in São Paulo against the Brazilian military government. He also attended a May Day march in Santiago, where the atmosphere around Salvador Allende's Popular Unity alliance which swept to power in the Chilean elections of 1970 made an impression on him: " noticed something very different from anything I had experienced... What Popular Unity and Allende had done was weld together the folk tradition, the song tradition, the artistic tradition and the intellectual tradition".[27][28]

I'm seeing nothing to convince me he is fit to represent Britain in any kind of meaningful activity