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Just catching up on some of this. Is it really being questioned whether the tories want to privatise the NHS? The party who put Jeremy Hunt in charge of it, the bloke who wrote a book on how great it'd be if the NHS was privatised?
 
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Walter Sobchak said:
I'd vote for labour but I can't stand those that like him. He's been spoiled by his militant, idol worshiping followers.
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Interesting viewpoint. I'd say a lot of people are excited about him because he's not just another standard politician. For years the two main parties have been pretty much similar. People voted for the party they were taught to believe was best, but didn't really know why. A lot of that is still true, but to many of us, Corbyn is the first real alternative in years where his policies actually sound really good and importantly, we completely believe he'll follow through with them. I'd never have called myself a Labour voter/supporter. In fact I've only ever voted Green before, but it's great in my opinion that a major party is now trying to do something I'm actually in favour of. I've never liked a party leader before and that's probably true of loads of us. Miliband, Blair, Brown etc were just your typical bullshitting politicians.

I can see how if you're not into him as much it might be frustrating. I don't think militant is true though, you're in Allam territory there.
 
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PLT said:
Interesting viewpoint. I'd say a lot of people are excited about him because he's not just another standard politician. For years the two main parties have been pretty much similar. People voted for the party they were taught to believe was best, but didn't really know why. A lot of that is still true, but to many of us, Corbyn is the first real alternative in years where his policies actually sound really good and importantly, we completely believe he'll follow through with them. I'd never have called myself a Labour voter/supporter. In fact I've only ever voted Green before, but it's great in my opinion that a major party is now trying to do something I'm actually in favour of. I've never liked a party leader before and that's probably true of loads of us. Miliband, Blair, Brown etc were just your typical bullshitting politicians.

I can see how if you're not into him as much it might be frustrating. I don't think militant is true though, you're in Allam territory there.
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It's not an interesting viewpoint. It's a dog and even if it wasn't, voting or not voting one way of the other because of others who do/don't is absurd.

I must say the left is ironically particularly intolerant and hateful (not everyone) and really stamp their feet. I had a friend refuse to speak to me for two years and deleted me off Facebook purely because I told her who I voted for in the last election. The right is generally more patronising and condescending but the left really is downright bitter and nasty.

But that wouldn't affect the way I vote. If you felt something was clearly really good or right for you why would you refuse to back it on the basis of a few irrelevant gobby little twats?
 
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The one thing that I do know is that the majority of the country that votes wont get the party they want. Never do. Our way of choosing the Government is well over due some maintenance. Millions of votes mean nothing as there are too many safe seats allowing the likes of Diane Abbott / Jeremy Hunt shoe ins into parliament.

It wont change as the Cons and Labour have nothing to gain by changing it. Lets face it we are a 2 party state.
 
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Limited time today - but - make sure you you do both of these two things:

Go and vote
Vote for your local Labour candidate.
 
If you look at the list of candidates for the General Election, there's a glaring omission. There's no General's standing.

Don't fall for it, it's a con.
 
I've just seen R2 formally confirm that this is the first time in 40 years that the sitting PM has not agreed to be interviewed during an election campaign.
 
PLT said:
Interesting viewpoint. I'd say a lot of people are excited about him because he's not just another standard politician. For years the two main parties have been pretty much similar. People voted for the party they were taught to believe was best, but didn't really know why. A lot of that is still true, but to many of us, Corbyn is the first real alternative in years where his policies actually sound really good and importantly, we completely believe he'll follow through with them. I'd never have called myself a Labour voter/supporter. In fact I've only ever voted Green before, but it's great in my opinion that a major party is now trying to do something I'm actually in favour of. I've never liked a party leader before and that's probably true of loads of us. Miliband, Blair, Brown etc were just your typical bullshitting politicians.

I can see how if you're not into him as much it might be frustrating. I don't think militant is true though, you're in Allam territory there.
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Promising to spend loads of money on everything isn't a policy - it's like children asking Santa for loads of presents and Santa saying OK - the money has to come from somewhere - if I earn 1000 pounds a week and spend 1200 at some time my credit cards will be maxed out and I will have to pay off the debt - Labour doesn't want to pay off the debt but wants to borrow even more - it hides behind that catch all which talks about investing for the future which means spending even more money with a hope that something will happen to pay off the debt - it's standard labour policy, buying votes promising to spend - not one Labour government ever has left the country in a better financial position than when it started - in some ways part of me hopes Corbyn will get in because something will have to give - personally I suspect he'll give up on defending the country and scrap Trident and perhaps that is a waste of money who knows but it's a massive call and one which we could live to regret
 
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PLT said:
Interesting viewpoint. I'd say a lot of people are excited about him because he's not just another standard politician. For years the two main parties have been pretty much similar. People voted for the party they were taught to believe was best, but didn't really know why. A lot of that is still true, but to many of us, Corbyn is the first real alternative in years where his policies actually sound really good and importantly, we completely believe he'll follow through with them. I'd never have called myself a Labour voter/supporter. In fact I've only ever voted Green before, but it's great in my opinion that a major party is now trying to do something I'm actually in favour of. I've never liked a party leader before and that's probably true of loads of us. Miliband, Blair, Brown etc were just your typical bullshitting politicians.

I can see how if you're not into him as much it might be frustrating. I don't think militant is true though, you're in Allam territory there.
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It wasn't a serious comment by me but I see and understand what you're saying. Corbyn is very different and the policies are definitely not the usual Blair ****e so i'm not suprised he has a lot of backing.
 
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PLT said:
Interesting viewpoint. I'd say a lot of people are excited about him because he's not just another standard politician. For years the two main parties have been pretty much similar. People voted for the party they were taught to believe was best, but didn't really know why. A lot of that is still true, but to many of us, Corbyn is the first real alternative in years where his policies actually sound really good and importantly, we completely believe he'll follow through with them. I'd never have called myself a Labour voter/supporter. In fact I've only ever voted Green before, but it's great in my opinion that a major party is now trying to do something I'm actually in favour of. I've never liked a party leader before and that's probably true of loads of us. Miliband, Blair, Brown etc were just your typical bullshitting politicians.

I can see how if you're not into him as much it might be frustrating. I don't think militant is true though, you're in Allam territory there.
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Genuinely find it interesting that you believe his fantasy politics, and are prepared to risk the future of the country, and essentially your own kids futures on a radical gamble with policies he can't follow through on without sinking the country into a massive financial crisis and recession.

Yet when a similar approach was suggested for a football club, you had an absolute fit about it.
 
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charon-the-ferryman said:
Promising to spend loads of money on everything isn't a policy - it's like children asking Santa for loads of presents and Santa saying OK - the money has to come from somewhere - if I earn 1000 pounds a week and spend 1200 at some time my credit cards will be maxed out and I will have to pay off the debt - Labour doesn't want to pay off the debt but wants to borrow even more - it hides behind that catch all which talks about investing for the future which means spending even more money with a hope that something will happen to pay off the debt - it's standard labour policy, buying votes promising to spend - not one Labour government ever has left the country in a better financial position than when it started - in some ways part of me hopes Corbyn will get in because something will have to give - personally I suspect he'll give up on defending the country and scrap Trident and perhaps that is a waste of money who knows but it's a massive call and one which we could live to regret
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But as you've alluded to with trident, there are savings to be made. We spend vast amounts on pointless or downright immoral stuff while saying there's no money for everyone to have a fair wage, food, extra bank holidays to bring us in line with other countries, etc. The magic money tree thing is just pettiness from the right wing press. The reality is they just don't like where the money would come from.
 
charon-the-ferryman said:
Promising to spend loads of money on everything isn't a policy - it's like children asking Santa for loads of presents and Santa saying OK - the money has to come from somewhere - if I earn 1000 pounds a week and spend 1200 at some time my credit cards will be maxed out and I will have to pay off the debt - Labour doesn't want to pay off the debt but wants to borrow even more - it hides behind that catch all which talks about investing for the future which means spending even more money with a hope that something will happen to pay off the debt - it's standard labour policy, buying votes promising to spend - not one Labour government ever has left the country in a better financial position than when it started - in some ways part of me hopes Corbyn will get in because something will have to give - personally I suspect he'll give up on defending the country and scrap Trident and perhaps that is a waste of money who knows but it's a massive call and one which we could live to regret
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The labour manifesto is fully costed and has the backing of 130 carefully hand picked economists from around the world.
 
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Genuinely find it interesting that you believe his fantasy politics, and are prepared to risk the future of the country, and essentially your own kids futures on a radical gamble with policies he can't follow through on without sinking the country into a massive financial crisis and recession.

Yet when a similar approach was suggested for a football club, you had an absolute fit about it.
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Obviously I don't see it as a risk. I think the policies are excellent and absolutely achievable as demonstrated in their manifesto. The tory media want you to think it's radical but it's just stuff that countries with a better standard of living do already.

The thing I really don't get is that the Cons haven't even suggested an alternative vision. Presumably it's just more of the same? Cuts, poverty, and privatisation of everything. No one seems to admit to wanting that, and the Tories aren't suggesting anything different, so why does anyone support them?
 
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