Off Topic General Election Special
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Just type into google Britains debt.
Due to the Government's significant budget deficit, the national debt is increasing by approximately £73.5 billion per annum, or around £1.4 billion each week.
Years ago the government received income from a number of sources, but bit by bit these were sold off and the revenue generated has been spent. Now we have nothing to sell, the industries which could generate an income are owned by share holders or foreign companies and all we have left is taxation.
We will never have enough money to pay for all the roads, schools, hospitals, care for the elderly, ect that we would like. This is the same for all the parties.
Just came across this on FB. Sums it up quite nicely -
'If you’ve already decided you’re voting Tory, I assume you don’t have any qualms over your choice.
But, if by some chance you’re still on the fence over who to vote, please consider:
If you vote Tory, you can basically kiss goodbye to the NHS before the 2022 general election. The name will remain, the Tories know they can’t kill it as a brand, but it will be a picked-clean skeleton of the already emaciated figure we're left with now after seven years of Conservative rule. Leaks have already suggested there'll be a new raft of cuts, undocumented in the Tory manifesto, announced in the weeks and months after a victory. More services slashed, more waiting lists lengthened, more completely avoidable deaths. All with the express intent of privatising every profitable avenue of public healthcare for the benefit of a few tax-fiddling shareholders, hiding the profits of illness and misery in offshore accounts. If you don’t suffer first-hand, your kids and their kids certainly will.
If you vote Tory, you’re actively further crippling education in the UK. Schools are facing a funding crisis, literally begging parents to pay for the most basic stuff *like pencils* because they don’t have anything near adequate resources. Teachers are leaving the profession in droves, pushed to breaking point by overwork and constant, disgusting demonization by successive education secretaries. Children are going hungry as in-work poverty soars and parents struggle to support families on precarious zero-hours contracts, and the Conservatives’ winning solution is to allot the princely sum of SEVEN PENCE for every child's school breakfast. That’s less than quarter of a Freddo ffs.
If you vote Tory, you’re endorsing the systematic killing of disabled people through state neglect. With every passing week more and more people are having the most threadbare funding stripped, with crucial care, mobility and adapted housing being snatched from them to appease a warped ideology. People are excluded from society, forced to live in inhumane conditions, or simply hounded into bullshit, insult-pay jobs then dying after being repeatedly certified by doctors as not fit to work. The United Nations – THE UNITED NATIONS – has said that UK austerity policy (a complete economic disaster, but that’s beside the point) constitutes *a breach of human rights*.
But that’s okay, because if you vote Tory, Theresa May has promised she’ll scrap human rights all together. She’s been trying to do this for years, waiting for the right justification, and her appalling, openly racist, death-strewn record as Home Secretary is just a taster of her ambitions. All the soap in every Lush across the country couldn’t wash the blood off her hands. Scrapping human rights legislation is an unimaginably terrifying move to make, threatening everyone in British society, privacy and tolerance be damned. Amnesty International immediately branded her “reckless and misinformed.” As we hurtle towards Brexit, The Good Friday agreement, relying on the lynchpin of the European Convention of Human Rights, would be rendered invalid.
If you vote Tory, you’ll be guaranteed a leader unafraid to start a full-scale thermonuclear war which will irrecoverably decimate life, all as a “deterrent”. Not to get all Kermit-drinking-the-tea, but it’s pretty wild one of the Conservatives’ major campaign criticisms of Corbyn is that he is unable to “protect the safety of the country,” primarily because he won’t condemn everyone in it to die in nuclear fire, all the while having three major terrorist attacks take place in under four months on their watch.
The other big criticism of Corbyn is that he's unable to handle spending, the Tories quick to forget they enabled the biggest act of economic self-sabotage in living memory – Brexit – all because of a foolhardy gamble gone wrong and the rampant careerism of some of the most repulsive chronic liars to stalk the political landscape. One of whom, Boris Johnson, you can bet decent money on unsurping May as Prime Minister if you vote Tory. And please, please don’t fall for the line that you’ll pay more income tax under a Labour government, the only chance of this happening is if you earn £80,000 or more, putting you comfortably among the top-earners in the UK – in which case frankly you *should* be paying more. Labour also has a fully-costed spending manifesto, publicly backed this week by an open letter from 129 economists and experts across the world. The Conservatives, meanwhile, remain deliberately murky on figures and embarrassingly U-turn on major, campaign-hinging promises days after announcing them.
But if you vote Tory, at least you can go fox hunting with the full blessing of the state again, so knock yourself out I guess.
Please vote Labour'.
'If you’ve already decided you’re voting Tory, I assume you don’t have any qualms over your choice.
But, if by some chance you’re still on the fence over who to vote, please consider:
If you vote Tory, you can basically kiss goodbye to the NHS before the 2022 general election. The name will remain, the Tories know they can’t kill it as a brand, but it will be a picked-clean skeleton of the already emaciated figure we're left with now after seven years of Conservative rule. Leaks have already suggested there'll be a new raft of cuts, undocumented in the Tory manifesto, announced in the weeks and months after a victory. More services slashed, more waiting lists lengthened, more completely avoidable deaths. All with the express intent of privatising every profitable avenue of public healthcare for the benefit of a few tax-fiddling shareholders, hiding the profits of illness and misery in offshore accounts. If you don’t suffer first-hand, your kids and their kids certainly will.
If you vote Tory, you’re actively further crippling education in the UK. Schools are facing a funding crisis, literally begging parents to pay for the most basic stuff *like pencils* because they don’t have anything near adequate resources. Teachers are leaving the profession in droves, pushed to breaking point by overwork and constant, disgusting demonization by successive education secretaries. Children are going hungry as in-work poverty soars and parents struggle to support families on precarious zero-hours contracts, and the Conservatives’ winning solution is to allot the princely sum of SEVEN PENCE for every child's school breakfast. That’s less than quarter of a Freddo ffs.
If you vote Tory, you’re endorsing the systematic killing of disabled people through state neglect. With every passing week more and more people are having the most threadbare funding stripped, with crucial care, mobility and adapted housing being snatched from them to appease a warped ideology. People are excluded from society, forced to live in inhumane conditions, or simply hounded into bullshit, insult-pay jobs then dying after being repeatedly certified by doctors as not fit to work. The United Nations – THE UNITED NATIONS – has said that UK austerity policy (a complete economic disaster, but that’s beside the point) constitutes *a breach of human rights*.
But that’s okay, because if you vote Tory, Theresa May has promised she’ll scrap human rights all together. She’s been trying to do this for years, waiting for the right justification, and her appalling, openly racist, death-strewn record as Home Secretary is just a taster of her ambitions. All the soap in every Lush across the country couldn’t wash the blood off her hands. Scrapping human rights legislation is an unimaginably terrifying move to make, threatening everyone in British society, privacy and tolerance be damned. Amnesty International immediately branded her “reckless and misinformed.” As we hurtle towards Brexit, The Good Friday agreement, relying on the lynchpin of the European Convention of Human Rights, would be rendered invalid.
If you vote Tory, you’ll be guaranteed a leader unafraid to start a full-scale thermonuclear war which will irrecoverably decimate life, all as a “deterrent”. Not to get all Kermit-drinking-the-tea, but it’s pretty wild one of the Conservatives’ major campaign criticisms of Corbyn is that he is unable to “protect the safety of the country,” primarily because he won’t condemn everyone in it to die in nuclear fire, all the while having three major terrorist attacks take place in under four months on their watch.
The other big criticism of Corbyn is that he's unable to handle spending, the Tories quick to forget they enabled the biggest act of economic self-sabotage in living memory – Brexit – all because of a foolhardy gamble gone wrong and the rampant careerism of some of the most repulsive chronic liars to stalk the political landscape. One of whom, Boris Johnson, you can bet decent money on unsurping May as Prime Minister if you vote Tory. And please, please don’t fall for the line that you’ll pay more income tax under a Labour government, the only chance of this happening is if you earn £80,000 or more, putting you comfortably among the top-earners in the UK – in which case frankly you *should* be paying more. Labour also has a fully-costed spending manifesto, publicly backed this week by an open letter from 129 economists and experts across the world. The Conservatives, meanwhile, remain deliberately murky on figures and embarrassingly U-turn on major, campaign-hinging promises days after announcing them.
But if you vote Tory, at least you can go fox hunting with the full blessing of the state again, so knock yourself out I guess.
Please vote Labour'.
I just wanted to say that overall this has been a quite interesting thread and in the main well behaved, so thanks to all contributors.
Even the fools who agree with Joey Barton and Lily Allen.
Even the fools who agree with Joey Barton and Lily Allen.
That's some volte face. I thought the people of Hull would be voting out this Islington elite in their droves?
What happend to:
"Some people are not really literate at all, and have no time for party politics. But they can spot a phoney or a bullshitter a mile off"
Or don't you credit people of the port city of Hull with this inbuilt ability to spot phonies?
A lot of people who vote Labour see that they have nowt to lose either, but a lot to gain, from voting Labour.
It amazes how people think the EU elite have shafted them, but don't apply the same logic and standard to the Tories. It just reeks of bootlickers doffing their caps to their masters because 'at least our elite are British'. It's pathetic.
For a supposed life-long Labour man you seem to desperate to see The Cons elected.
Love a man of unflinching principle me. [HASHTAG]#imalrightjack[/HASHTAG]
>people can spot a bullshitter from a mile off
>Corbyn's Islington Labour Party doesn't resonate with muh great city's electorate
>people in Hull would for for three red pillar boxes
You've just contradicted all of your nonsensical bullshit posts in quick succession. At least you were right about one thing, you know nowt about politics.
oh and you can **** off if you think I should be paying more than 40% tax.
I have worked hard my entire life, from 16 years old. No school or education past O levels. First jobs were YOP slave labour. 23 years in the RAF for which I now get next to **** all thanks to 40% tax.
I've paid enough tax and currently pay enough.
I have worked hard my entire life, from 16 years old. No school or education past O levels. First jobs were YOP slave labour. 23 years in the RAF for which I now get next to **** all thanks to 40% tax.
I've paid enough tax and currently pay enough.
If you earn the higher rate then you don't do badly.
I'm happy to pay more tax for a better country.
Seems Prescott's comments were made in March at a Parliamentary Labour Party meeting, not in public.
Comments leaked on 22 May in various periodicals/newspapers.
Can't do links. Soz.
His lad may well be a Corbyn SPAD, so maybe Prescott blood is thicker than water (just like aristocracy). Maybe Prescott Junior was too thick to take over Pauline's hairdressing business?
Well id like you to send me that Crystal ball that you've looked into and seen the future.
The fact remains that nobody knows.
I don't think the City workers will be that much at loss .Their jobs will be available just elsewhere if it comes to it.
Doesn't that depend on what they spend the 'extra' and existing tax on?
If the income was spent rather than saved, it possibly wouldn't need a tax increase.
Such ridiculous militant ****e shouldn't be shared. People believe and are influenced by this crap. Don't encourage it.
Neither party had costed it in their manifesto, as nobody knows the deal.
That statement is not naive, it's a cast iron fact.
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