Off Topic General Election Special

[Newland Tiger]

I guess most people don't know Quantitative Easing is simply creating money out of thin air ie. a magic money tree

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Wonder what will happen with brexit if we get a minority labour government topped up by the SNP.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Corbyn really isn't that far left when compared to other Governments like Canada & Norway.

Canada have actually one of the better (if not the best) performing current economies. They also have similar anti-austerity policies to what JC & the Labour Party are promoting.

Our current economy is failing in comparison.

Heard a feature on R4's Today, erm today, about how well the eurozone outside Germany is doing and how they're massively outperforming us. Why don't we hear about this? All we get is Greece, Spain and Italy takes of woe.

 

[The greengrocer]

That's exactly what PLT wrote. Blair was a Tory in Labour clothing.

Then dismissed it!

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

There have been no local issues in this election, the entire campaign has been based purely on voting Conservative or Labour.

Ask Bummers....

Are you saying what I said is incorrect?

 

[The greengrocer]

I think most the country doesn't want to go as far left as Corbyn or as far right as the Tories. Somewhere in between would have won it by a landslide IMO. Both parties dropped the ball a bit.

Nail on head!

 

[originallambrettaman]

Wonder what will happen with brexit if we get a minority labour government topped up by the SNP.

We get The Crankies leading the country.

 

[originalminority]

The man behind it is editing a London newspaper now.

I thought they'd given it to the Hull lad who's MP for Goole?

When EU and COC money runs out we wont just be fighting the south for investment we'll be fighting the North West whilst the profile of our 3 Hull MP's drops post-Prescott & Johnson.

 

[Charon]

If I understand Charon correctly you can do precisely that. Nationalise the profitable industries like gas and electric, means test any compensation paid, employ more British workers than are "needed", pay them a decent wage and use the profits to help fund the NHS. The wealthy will be worse off whilst the workers will be better off. Problem solved.

and where did I say that ??

 

[Obadiah]

That's very simplistic way of looking at it, you seem to have ignored the fact that you need to find £150b to re-nationalise these industries and then the revenue instantly falls as Corbyn's promised to knock £220 a year off everybody's bills.

This is ignoring the fact that when it becomes a monopoly again, it will become inefficient, badly managed and underfunded and the profits will collapse anyway.

If you had read what I wrote you'd realise it wouldn't cost anywhere near £150 billion. The profits didn't collapse between 1945 and the 1980s when they were sold off. The power industry is badly managed and underfunded now as May has gone cap in hand to the Chinese to get them to build a power station with guaranteed profits which we'll pay for.

Inefficient means employing more staff than you really need. Its one way of redistributing wealth. As long as the industry is profitable and not a drain on the taxpayer its a very good way of re-distributing wealth. As was shown in the post war period up to Thatcher.

When it was a state monopoly my gas and electric prices were reasonable. After privatisation my bills increased substantially. As a consumer I know which type of ownership I prefer.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Are you saying what I said is incorrect?

No, I'm just taking the piss out of you.

 

[Edelman]

Heard a feature on R4's Today, erm today, about how well the eurozone outside Germany is doing and how they're massively outperforming us. Why don't we hear about this? All we get is Greece, Spain and Italy takes of woe.

Was it in our media's interest to promote these kind of news.?
Did it fit their agenda.?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

I think most the country doesn't want to go as far left as Corbyn or as far right as the Tories. Somewhere in between would have won it by a landslide IMO. Both parties dropped the ball a bit.

You mean like the Lib Dems? They fooked up when they failed to work out how to get Farron some air time

 

[originallambrettaman]

If you had read what I wrote you'd realise it wouldn't cost anywhere near £150 billion.

Sorry, I got that wrong, it's £169.15b in the latest costings.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Heard a feature on R4's Today, erm today, about how well the eurozone outside Germany is doing and how they're massively outperforming us. Why don't we hear about this? All we get is Greece, Spain and Italy takes of woe.

We had the slowest growing economy of the G7 group of advanced economies in the first 3 months of this year (0.2%) compared to Canada's 0.9%.

Canada's policies are as good as identical as to what the Labour Party Manifesto details.

 

[Obadiah]

and where did I say that ??

City Independent and quite often over the years. Didn't you say the power stations were filled with British workers on good money that the industry didn't need to employ?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Was it in our media's interest to promote these kind of news.?
Did it fit their agenda.?

In the lead up to an election when people - including handsomely paid professionals within the media - are worried about a high taxing opposition so trot out the line about strong economic performance?

Never.

 

[Obadiah]

Sorry, I got that wrong, it's £169.15b in the latest costings.

You still haven't read what I wrote.

 

[Obadiah]

I thought they'd given it to the Hull lad who's MP for Goole?

When EU and COC money runs out we wont just be fighting the south for investment we'll be fighting the North West whilst the profile of our 3 Hull MP's drops post-Prescott & Johnson.

The Northern powerhouse was Osborne's idea as he was an MP in the North West. Once he got demoted the political will for it has faded.

 

[Edelman]

If anybody on here thinks that a massive reduction in the freedom of movement post Brexit will result in copious amounts of jobs for English people they may be fooling themselves.
It will result in a big move towards automation.