Off Topic General Election Special

[Tobes]

Absolutely spot on.

I should have served in one of the worlds elite fighting units, placing myself in extreme danger for free.

All the while paying for my rifle, uniform and ammo out of my own pocket.

I also agree that parents who spend their family allowance on all manner of ****e deserve further assistance from me in feeding their children.

I have seen the light.

There's a huge difference between the deliberately feckless and those who work hard, have been lumbered with zero hours contracts, and / or minimum wage jobs, who struggle like **** to put food on the table and keep a roof over their families heads.

The former still need to be educated that benefits aren't a career choice, but the latter need to be able to earn a living that sees them out of poverty and rewarded for not being feckless themselves. The current incumbents have reduced the tax burden on the richest whilst squeezing the balls of the most disadvantaged, that simply can't be right

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

There's a huge difference between the deliberately feckless and those who work hard, have been lumbered with zero hours contracts, and / or minimum wage jobs, who struggle like **** to put food on the table and keep a roof over their families heads.

The former still need to be educated that benefits aren't a career choice, but the latter need to be able to earn a living that sees them out of poverty and rewarded for not being feckless themselves. The current incumbents have reduced the tax burden on the richest whilst squeezing the balls of the most disadvantaged, that simply can't be right

I do wonder how some people actually live. The company I work for employs staff on living wage in London when they're the main breadwinner and they have a few kids. Seriously - how? I have no kids, live oop north and earn comfortably more than that but am always ****ing skint.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

There's a huge difference between the deliberately feckless and those who work hard, have been lumbered with zero hours contracts, and / or minimum wage jobs, who struggle like **** to put food on the table and keep a roof over their families heads.

The former still need to be educated that benefits aren't a career choice, but the latter need to be able to earn a living that sees them out of poverty and rewarded for not being feckless themselves. The current incumbents have reduced the tax burden on the richest whilst squeezing the balls of the most disadvantaged, that simple can't be right

I come from a working class family, brought up on a council estate and know all about decent, honest folk grafting their balls off to provide for their families.

I would gladly pay more tax to help such people but in the real world it's the 'deliberately feckless' as you rightly call them that a massive wedge of your taxes go on.

My mate is a paramedic and some of the stories he tells me are beyond the pale.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

I do wonder how some people actually live. The company I work for employs staff on living wage in London when they're the main breadwinner and they have a few kids. Seriously - how? I have no kids, live oop north and earn comfortably more than that but am always ****ing skint.

Lay off the prossies and Charlie then.

 

[Spook]

Whinge?

Interesting choice or word.

When you grow up sunshine( oh look I can do patronising as well) and join the real work you'll see that a lot of your taxes( providing you get a job) go to those who haven't fallen on hard times.

It goes to career dole bums, smack heads and other low life arse holes.

People who have no responsibility for their actions and who don't give a ****.

Yeah, but that's completely bollocks because most spending goes on public services, pensions and welfare for those already in work. The Tabloids spin that everyone on benefits is a scrounger? Yeah, that's bollocks, most are in work. Wanna know the figures for benefit fraud? It's 0.8% of welfare spending.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

Yeah, but that's completely bollocks because most spending goes on public services, pensions and welfare for those already in work. The Tabloids spin that everyone on benefits is a scrounger? Yeah, that's bollocks, most are in work. Wanna know the figures for benefit fraud? It's 0.8% of welfare spending.

You've got a lot of growing up to do pal.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Lay off the prossies and Charlie then.

Bugle, surely?

 

[Tobes]

I come from a working class family, brought up on a council estate and know all about decent, honest folk grafting their balls off to provide for their families.

I would gladly pay more tax to help such people but in the real world it's the 'deliberately feckless' as you rightly call them that a massive wedge of your taxes go on.

My mate is a paramedic and some of the stories he tells me are beyond the pale.

Tax evasion accounts for way more than the truly feckless though, and yet this Govt employs 5 times the number of staff chasing dole cheats than it does tax dodgers, never right.

 

[Tobes]

You've got a lot of growing up to do pal.

He's bang right there though

 

[The greengrocer]

There's a huge difference between the deliberately feckless and those who work hard, have been lumbered with zero hours contracts, and / or minimum wage jobs, who struggle like **** to put food on the table and keep a roof over their families heads.

The former still need to be educated that benefits aren't a career choice, but the latter need to be able to earn a living that sees them out of poverty and rewarded for not being feckless themselves. The current incumbents have reduced the tax burden on the richest whilst squeezing the balls of the most disadvantaged, that simply can't be right

Who are the disadvantaged in your eyes? Serious question? Zero hours works for some people! If you've got zero hours you find 2 or 3 that suit you and bounce from one to another! I'm self employed as you've gathered but I still work 6 days a week as most small businesses do I can imagine! I'm all for paying more for the NHS, police, security and disabled etc. BUT there are way too many who don't want to work or are too drugged up to even bother with! I'm not a typical conservative voter but I'm not a labour voter because they've never covered themselves in glory for me! If you look at Blair now he doesn't look like the voice of the people in his big house earning big money! I'll give corbyn his dues hes labour through & through but when push comes to shove with our security can we trust him? And can I trust him not make my business unsustainable with wage rises and tax rises???

 

[Carmine Galante.]

Tax evasion accounts for way more than the truly feckless though, and yet this Govt employs 5 times the number of staff chasing dole cheats than it does tax dodgers, never right.

Agreed.

 

[Spook]

You've got a lot of growing up to do pal.

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There goes your argument.

 

[Tobes]

Who are the disadvantaged in your eyes? Serious question? Zero hours works for some people! If you've got zero hours you find 2 or 3 that suit you and bounce from me to another! I'm self employed as you've gathered but I still work 6 days a week as most small businesses do I can imagine! I'm all for paying more for the NHS, police, security and disabled etc. BUT there are way too many who don't want to work or are too drugged up to even bother with! I'm not a typical conservative voter but I'm not a labour voter because they've never covered themselves in glory for me! If you look at Blair now he doesn't look like the voice of the people in his big house earning big money! I'll give corbyn his dues hes labour through & through but when push comes to shove with our security can we trust him? And can I trust him not make my business unsustainable with wage rises and tax rises???

Zero hours does work for some, students and the like, but would you want to live trying to bring up your family not knowing from one week to the next how many hours you were going to allocated? I know I wouldn't.

I'm not particularly a Corbyn fan, albeit I think he's done extremely well in the main during the campaign, as he's actually had his voice heard and people have definitely warmed to him, me included.

I wouldn't trust the flip flopping, wooden May as far as I could throw her. Strong and stable my arse, she's governing by populist opinion in the run up to this election.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Don't blame me on the current situation, I voted for Kodos.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Zero hours does work for some, students and the like, but would you want to live trying to bring up your family not knowing from one week to the next how many hours you were going to allocated? I know I wouldn't.

I'm not particularly a Corbyn fan, albeit I think he's done extremely well in the main during the campaign, as he's actually had his voice heard and people have definitely warmed to him, me included.

I wouldn't trust the flip flopping, wooden May as far as I could throw her. Strong and stable my arse, she's governing by populist opinion in the run up to this election.

Why?

 

[Tobes]

Why?

Despite being a lifelong Labour voter, I've never been far left, and I saw Corbyn as a bit of a throwback to the traditional 70's Socialist worker type, but I've really warmed to him, I think he's a good man with a good manifesto

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Despite being a lifelong Labour voter, I've never been far left, and I saw Corbyn as a bit of a throwback to the traditional 70's Socialist worker type, but I've really warmed to him, I think he's a good man with a good manifesto

I'd be less worried about Corbyn if he got rid of McDonnell, Abbot and the complete arse lick that is seumas milne.

 

[Stockholm Tiger]

Yeah, but that's completely bollocks because most spending goes on public services, pensions and welfare for those already in work. The Tabloids spin that everyone on benefits is a scrounger? Yeah, that's bollocks, most are in work. Wanna know the figures for benefit fraud? It's 0.8% of welfare spending.

So about 9 billion quid per year is being diddled from you in fraud?!?! You could do quite a bit with that money. And that's just the theft just think of the number for people claiming legally but only because they choose not to work.

 

[DMD]

The cost of welfare payment tends to miss out the associated costs to organisations such as social services, NHS, police etc that is part of the package for many in that bracket.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

So about 9 billion quid per year is being diddled from you in fraud?!?! You could do quite a bit with that money. And that's just the theft just think of the number for people claiming legally but only because they choose not to work.

In the workers paradise no one works but everyone has a Ferrari.