Off Topic General Election Special

[Spook]

I tried registering to vote in Lincoln, well within the deadline with my NI number and uni address, even got an email saying my polling card was going to get sent in the post, and when I emailed them again recently to ask where it was, they said they didn't process my application in time, even though I did it a week before the deadline. Should be noted that my local MP and council were under investigation for electoral fraud since 2015 to June 2017.

 

[PattyNchips2]

May wants us to live in a police state to catch terrorists better.

 

[Spook]

May wants us to live in a police state to catch terrorists better.

*Poundshop police state

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

May wants us to live in a police state to catch terrorists better.

Shouldn't have cut 20,000 of their jobs then...

 

[Amin Arrears]

That's fine. It's not about me. Like you said I'm in an office job and I'm alright. It's about all the things the country says it can't afford, but could if the rich contributed more. The NHS is on its knees and that's desperately sad. I'd love to see the nationalisation of ****ed up industries like rail and energy. Energy companies are some of the most pointless leeches around. But we're told we can't afford to do anything about it. Labour say they've got a way to do it so I'm all for it.

Corporation tax doesn't target the rich though, the vast majority that it will impact are average earning business owners who employ other people on average wages. The rich all have holding companies in the Bahamas to owe 'debts' to in order to minimise their tax liability, whilst plenty of honest businesses will be forced to raise prices or lay off staff/cut hours to make ends meet. It will make it tougher for the honest businesses to compete with the corporate fat cats youcomplain about, handing them an even further advantage, and for the most part the British public will pay for it unless they decide to go the cheapest option and fund those corporate fat cats by doing their shopping in supermarkets, amazon etc.

Our companies already pay more into the state than businesses elsewhere in Europe due to our astronomical business rates. Labour want to raise both. It will tie both hands behind the backs of honest British businesses and will only be of benefit to the big multinational corporations. They will profit more from it than the state will.

It would be a far better solution to make a nominal increase to VAT, but the public who gobble up all this political bollocks wouldn't stand for that, there's no narrative to punish big evil tax evaders.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Shouldn't have cut 20,000 of their jobs then...

Agreed. Should have just cut 10000.

 

[Spook]

Corporation tax doesn't target the rich though, the vast majority that it will impact are average earning business owners who employ other people on average wages. The rich all have holding companies in the Bahamas to owe 'debts' to in order to minimise their tax liability, whilst plenty of honest businesses will be forced to raise prices or lay off staff/cut hours to make ends meet. It will make it tougher for the honest businesses to compete with the corporate fat cats youcomplain about, handing them an even further advantage, and for the most part the British public will pay for it unless they decide to go the cheapest option and fund those corporate fat cats by doing their shopping in supermarkets, amazon etc.

Our companies already pay more into the state than businesses elsewhere in Europe due to our astronomical business rates. Labour want to raise both. It will tie both hands behind the backs of honest British businesses and will only be of benefit to the big multinational corporations. They will profit more from it than the state will.

It would be a far better solution to make a nominal increase to VAT, but the public who gobble up all this political bollocks wouldn't stand for that, there's no narrative to punish big evil tax evaders.

Or we could just implement a huge land value tax and tax the wealthy landowners to the bollocks. Can't put British land in off-shore accounts or relocate it.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

Corporation tax doesn't target the rich though, the vast majority that it will impact are average earning business owners who employ other people on average wages. The rich all have holding companies in the Bahamas to owe 'debts' to in order to minimise their tax liability, whilst plenty of honest businesses will be forced to raise prices or lay off staff/cut hours to make ends meet. It will make it tougher for the honest businesses to compete with the corporate fat cats youcomplain about, handing them an even further advantage, and for the most part the British public will pay for it unless they decide to go the cheapest option and fund those corporate fat cats by doing their shopping in supermarkets, amazon etc.

Our companies already pay more into the state than businesses elsewhere in Europe due to our astronomical business rates. Labour want to raise both. It will tie both hands behind the backs of honest British businesses and will only be of benefit to the big multinational corporations. They will profit more from it than the state will.

It would be a far better solution to make a nominal increase to VAT, but the public who gobble up all this political bollocks wouldn't stand for that, there's no narrative to punish big evil tax evaders.

Bang on the money is this.

I know for a stone cold fact that local small businesses will make staff redundant if Labour and their taxation policies get in.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Or we could just implement a huge land value tax and tax the wealthy landowners to the bollocks. Can't put British land in off-shore accounts or relocate it.

No but you can 'vacate' a property whilst you're abroad and put **** all.

Tax evasion is an international problem, it can't be fought on the national stage. It needs a collective international approach.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I'm surprised business rates are not a bigger issue in the election, they're utterly ridiculous.

Footfall in city centres has fallen dramatically due the rise of internet shopping, rents have fallen in light of this, but rates haven't (in fact, they're going up), leading to an enormous amount of empty units that are simply not financially viable.

I've been looking at a few shop units recently, some of them now have rate bills higher than the rent ffs.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

I got into a heated debate with my in laws over the following question;

Can you be a multi millionaire businessman and be a socialist?

 

[Spook]

No but you can 'vacate' a property whilst you're abroad and put **** all.

Tax evasion is an international problem, it can't be fought on the national stage. It needs a collective international approach.

LVT isn't a property tax, it's a tax on unimproved land. Either they pay the tax or it gets confiscated and make communal. Simple as that. It's advocated by Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

 

[PattyNchips2]

I got into a heated debate with my in laws over the following question;

Can you be a multi millionaire businessman and be a socialist?

so can you be a socialist and a capitalist?
thought they were 2 opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

so can you be a socialist and a capitalist?
thought they were 2 opposite ends of the spectrum.

That was my argument .

 

[AlRawdah]

The rich all have holding companies in the Bahamas to owe 'debts' to in order to minimise their tax liability, whilst plenty of honest businesses will be forced to raise prices or lay off staff/cut hours to make ends meet. It will make it tougher for the honest businesses to compete with the corporate fat cats youcomplain about, handing them an even further advantage, and for the most part the British public will pay for it unless they decide to go the cheapest option and fund those corporate fat cats by doing their shopping in supermarkets, amazon etc.

I would politely suggest you don't know how Corporation Tax works. It's not a tax on turnover.

 

[Spook]

I got into a heated debate with my in laws over the following question;

Can you be a multi millionaire businessman and be a socialist?

No, a businessman, whether small, medium or large, is a capitalist. You can be wealthy and be a socialist, so long as you don't own any means of production but the definition of a capitalist is someone who owns the means of production.

 

[Amin Arrears]

I would politely suggest you don't know how Corporation Tax works. It's not a tax on turnover.

It's a tax on profits, and I have no idea how you came to suggest it's based on turnover from my post.

 

[PLT]

Bang on the money is this.

I know for a stone cold fact that local small businesses will make staff redundant if Labour and their taxation policies get in.

I'm curious (honestly I'm trying not to be confrontational with everyone). Do you think the current situation is an alternative? The Tories don't seem to be offering any promises to improve anything so presumably it's just as you were if they get in again. Would more of the same be a good thing?

 

[Chilton's Hundreds]

Corporation tax doesn't target the rich though, the vast majority that it will impact are average earning business owners who employ other people on average wages. The rich all have holding companies in the Bahamas to owe 'debts' to in order to minimise their tax liability, whilst plenty of honest businesses will be forced to raise prices or lay off staff/cut hours to make ends meet. It will make it tougher for the honest businesses to compete with the corporate fat cats youcomplain about, handing them an even further advantage, and for the most part the British public will pay for it unless they decide to go the cheapest option and fund those corporate fat cats by doing their shopping in supermarkets, amazon etc.

Our companies already pay more into the state than businesses elsewhere in Europe due to our astronomical business rates. Labour want to raise both. It will tie both hands behind the backs of honest British businesses and will only be of benefit to the big multinational corporations. They will profit more from it than the state will.

It would be a far better solution to make a nominal increase to VAT, but the public who gobble up all this political bollocks wouldn't stand for that, there's no narrative to punish big evil tax evaders.

Large corporations mentality is that they provide enough revenue to the treasury via PAYE, NI and VAT and shouldn't therefore pay any corporation tax, thank you very much.

Little people have no choice and pay taxes, the wealthy and large corporations seem to have a voluntary tax liability - ie they pay nominal tax/CT almost
as a gesture of goodwill.

That's the way it is at the moment and good luck to anyone who has a go to try and change it.

 

[Chilton's Hundreds]

Or we could just implement a huge land value tax and tax the wealthy landowners to the bollocks. Can't put British land in off-shore accounts or relocate it.

That's an idea that's been suggested in the past. Revolutionary France, in the 1790's, springs to mind.