First time in history that there are more people in the cabinet who were born in Sunderland than went to Eton.
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I realy have not paid much attention to this election.
I've jusr read this ----
The premier appointed the Cabinet last night after the extraordinary scale of his victory - achieved despite Labour receiving fewer votes than under Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 - became clear
IF true, thats a remarkable statistic.
As a generalisation we can ASSUME that the disgruntled middle of the road Tories voted for The Liberals, while the unhappy Right went for Reform. Protest votes on a grand scale.
Bt where did the missing Labour supporters go? And WHY?
I've jusr read this ----
The premier appointed the Cabinet last night after the extraordinary scale of his victory - achieved despite Labour receiving fewer votes than under Jeremy Corbyn in 2017 - became clear
IF true, thats a remarkable statistic.
As a generalisation we can ASSUME that the disgruntled middle of the road Tories voted for The Liberals, while the unhappy Right went for Reform. Protest votes on a grand scale.
Bt where did the missing Labour supporters go? And WHY?
Maybe they assumed that Labour were going to win it anyway, so didn't bother voting?
The missing labour voters mostly went in 2019 when Corbyn's vote dropped right off and haven't come back. The rest I can only assume went Green (who have 1 million more votes this time around).
I'm not getting this narrative that Labour won with a very low share of the vote.
We all knew the rules before the election. We have (for centuries) had a first past the post system. No-one complained
when the Tories won a landslide in the last election, or when Thatcher won a landslide in 1979. The system is what it is until its changed.
To them ends, I simply cannot see the two major Parties agreeing to go down the proportional representation route with the prospect of letting the likes Farage get an even bigger grip in the House of Commons... Thats like turkeys voting for Xmas.
We all knew the rules before the election. We have (for centuries) had a first past the post system. No-one complained
when the Tories won a landslide in the last election, or when Thatcher won a landslide in 1979. The system is what it is until its changed.
To them ends, I simply cannot see the two major Parties agreeing to go down the proportional representation route with the prospect of letting the likes Farage get an even bigger grip in the House of Commons... Thats like turkeys voting for Xmas.
It is akin to wanting to change the rules of football because your team lost.
We’d have had PR now if the Lib Dems had made it a red line for joining with the Tories.
I get what you’re saying. I agree Turkeys won’t vote for Christmas.
I was thinking that you could go half way. Double the size of the constituencies and have 350 local representatives and 300 PR ones. May give voice to the millions who don’t have one at present.
The last fourteen years has sickened people to politics and politicians and you could compare the Labour support to football imo.
It's like they've seen their team languishing aimlessly, in the lower leagues, with endless internal arguments and fall outs ...
... little wonder they've lost their belief.
But for me, and I know this won't go down well with some people, voting Labour now would involve swallowing a large slice of humble pie.
There's a feeling that people backed themselves into a corner when they abandoned Labour, at the last election, when they were totally conned by Boris Johnson and his promises about money going to places like the North East, levelling up, the forty new hospitals, securing our borders and all the fabulous benefits of Brexit.
For those previous Labour supporters switching back again would mean accepting they fell for pathetic stunts like this ...
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"Five months after he was seen excitedly jumping on the driver’s seat of a bulldozer at a JCB factory Boris Johnson received £23,853 for his wedding party expenses from the chairperson of JCB.
JCB chairman Anthony Bamford covered the costs of hiring a marquee, a South African barbeque, portable toilets, waiting staff, flowers and an ice cream van at the wedding celebration, according to disclosure statements made by the former prime minister."
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Do we still need to keep hearing about Boris fooking Johnson now Labour are in government?
Let’s just look to the future and hope Starmer does well.
You post what you like, I'll post what I like ...
... if you don't like it put me on ignore and mind your own business, there's a good lad.
You've never shut up about Corbyn for years and he wasn't even elected.
What a surprise you show up seconds after I post
To be fair it was Notaskyboy who posted it first ...
... people missed it because he didn't put the pictures on.
The only thing I take from this is that in 4 years time it could easily swing back the other way. Maybe being kept on their toes knowing this could happen will be a good thing.
I like this in theory. It would take some working though, for MP's to manage a constituency twice the size and to decide what the 300 PR ones do if they don't have a constituency.
Its all well and good, but in the first instance you have to get past "self interest" and I say, the 2 big Parties wouldn't let it happen.
More paid lackeys for the former? I wonder how much footfall they actually deal with? But with the latter (thinking on me feet) if you had even numbers of FPTP and PR MPs you could double up on the MPs per constituency. Get them assigned at random so it becomes a true vocation? Albeit they’ll probably all gravitate to Westminster and the highly subsidised bars and restaurants :-D
Not sure that works when you get Braverman in Brighton, Rees-Mogg in Liverpool or Rayner in Somerset as examples.
True and it won't just be the big 2 looking at self interest. If Reform, SNP or anyone else got the slightest sniff of holding the balance of a coalition, they'd make their own key policy the price to pay for support.